Memrise Release Notes - 28 Nov 2017 (Update on changes to typing test)

I’ve got uBlock. Can you let me know how to set up filters? (I’m on FF Quantum btw)

EDIT: Hey, I figured it out on my own! :rofl:
For others who were as impatient as me before posting:
Open uBlock Dashboard
Click on My Filters tab
Add entry
Click Apply changes.

It works great!

Just wanted to add that thanks to @lprg upthread I used uBlock to block the keyboard from appearing.

  1. Open uBlock Dashboard
  2. Click on My Filters tab
  3. Add entry: www.memrise.com##.clearfix.keyboard
  4. Click Apply changes.
  5. Voila! 屏幕上的键盘就不见了!
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Thanks! One poor design decision removed.

Only on the forum to complain about this in Japanese. I don’t want an on-screen keyboard or auto-accept on the web app. I can use my normal keyboard with IME input.

It is barely tolerable on the android app that I hardly use-would actually use that more if you allowed me to use the normal IME input I have and not auto-accept!

This could just be solved by offering people greater options-as others have pointed out.

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I concur with all of the points made here. If you have IME, just use it. If you don’t, you should download it ASAP.

It really needs to be made optional. The app version trained me to not look down. so I am pretty okay with the SRS process regardless. However, not everyone has the same ability to ignore all the text on the screen, and accidents do occur. (For example, coming back to my seat mid-practice)

I’m okay with autoaccept only because if even if I am wrong, I will still press enter out of habit. It really should be optional as well, though.

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Almost everyone (barring 3?) told you this was a bad idea. Why, months later, this has been reinstated with a lie about 50/50 feedback…?

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@BeaTrisy
These changes have made it horrible to learn Japanese.

With a Japanese keyboard you have to press enter to choose the correct character to use. However, with auto-accept it doesn’t give you the chance to press enter and as a result when you progress onto the next word your previous word is already there. As a result every word I’m having to delete the previous word which slows down the learning considerably and most definitely doesn’t speed it up.

Also the on screen keyboard for the typing tests basically gives you the answer when learning Japanese. In your post you said this was the feedback from your community.

You said: “Having the characters needed for the answer in the keyboard makes the tests TOO easy!”

This is especially true when learning Kanji for Japanese.

Please, please, please either revert the changes or make the user able to disable them. I’m sure I’m not the only one that relies on Memrise to help them with their job, and I used to love it before these changes. But I’m now not sure if I can continue.

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This change was so unwelcome that, for the first time, I actually came to the forums to see what had happened.

I may eventually learn to live with the auto-enter but I just can’t ignore the new syllable box that has appeared in my Korean lessons. I already use IME and the new boxes give away too much of the answer but they’re literally right there so you can’t help but see them. I’ve noticed my errors and mistakes are also auto-corrected for me as well. This does not feel like learning, but instead feels like hand-holding. I have disabled the tapping/jumbled option in my settings but the boxes remain.

I understand some may like these changes but I do not. If nothing else, an option to enable/disable certain features would keep both sides happy.

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make these features fucking optional. i’m serious, the “in app keyboard” which i’d never seen before literally gives me the answer. there is absolutely no value in reviewing anymore if the question just gives me the god damn answer. i really don’t want to have to start over with another memorization program.

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I second this. Having whole syllables in view (for Korean) is distracting, and detracts from the challenge of trying to pull everything from memory. I too, would like to see this feature made optional, or removed entirely.

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The auto-accept is very (!) annoying, because when I type Japanese I need to hit enter before the word will ‘stick’ (with space you can switch to different kana/kanji), but with auto-accept it automatically switches to the next page and taking the previously typed word, which means I continuously have to back-space all my anwers.

Please, just please, make it optional…

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If you received mixed responses, wouldn’t it be best if auto-accept was an option to let the user decide in the settings? I realise that may cause some difficulties with coding for the future (now you will have to do it for people who have auto-correct and people who don’t) but given that its a feature that many people like and many people downright believe it ruins their learning it seems important to make this an option.

JUST FOUND a solution to this. Use AdBlocker to block the characters. Auto-accept is still an issue but hey one problem less.

On contrary I believe auto-accept will make me take longer time. Now instead of writing it down and correcting as I go I have to make sure Im certain then write it down and click enter regardless if its right or wrong to be fair with what I know well and what I don’t.

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Please give an option to toggle both of these features. I think they are both detrimental to learning

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it seems it works…

now something to get rid of the auto-check :wink:???

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impossibly slow to study japanese with the auto-accept (see comments above), please make optional!!!

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This is also definitely the case with Korean. I have to now consciously ignore the characters right beneath anything I’m typing, which shifts my focus on something other than learning which really should be the focal the point of Memrise.
This is the reason I moved on from the app to the website, so I hope that VERY soon this whole thing will become optional.

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@BeaTrisy

Why would you enable / force a feature, which was already (optionally) there?

It is called: Memrise Turbo

// ==UserScript==
// @name Memrise Turbo
// @namespace https://github.com/infofarmer
// @description Makes Memrise faster
// @match https://www.memrise.com/course//garden/classic_review/
// @match https://www.memrise.com/garden/water/

// @match https://www.memrise.com/garden/review/*
// @version 0.1.10
// @updateURL https://github.com/cooljingle/memrise-turbo/raw/master/MemriseTurbo.user.js
// @downloadURL https://github.com/cooljingle/memrise-turbo/raw/master/MemriseTurbo.user.js

I changed the default first match from “//course//garden/" (applied to review + learning called from a course) to **@match https://www.memrise.com/course//garden/classic_review/**”:

This deactivates the auto accept turbo for **learning new vocabulary (including typing longer sentence) when you first click on a course, second the level and then on the green “learn words” button.

With your code update, even this is not possible anymore?!!!

You may not be truly aware that not everyone loves your “disable typing >15 characters” for Memrise offical 1-7 courses.
So there are some users, who use “all typing” user script, to be able to review 1-7 longer sentences with the ONLY TYPING / RECALLING method (turned OFF multiple-choice).
Sometimes I used the activated “Memrise Turbo” script even for those courses, but IMHO it really is much better to have it completely turned OFF!

The big big problem about “Memrise Turbo” [and “Auto accept”] is / will be, that you can NOT review your typed sentence; or that you can listen to the audio of the last (correct) answer, as you have been already moved to the next question screen.
What is the point in listening to the audio, when I can not read the answer text of my old answer anymore?

“Memrise Turbo” IMHO just works for courses with single words, like MartinPen’s DuoLingo Portuguese BR course, but definitely fails for Memrise PT1-7.

In the short time I can - of course - not be 100% sure (I need more time for detail tests) if your team has greatly improved the behavior of “Memrise Turbo” and your own “Auto accept” code in the case, that you only move to the next question screen, if the audio play has finished and I could still read the text of my old (previous) answer.
You may have, or you may have not…I will find out!


Summary I):

I had full control for the “Memrise Turbo” script, if
a) I wanted to activate it for a learning session
b) it should be deactivated for a review session
c) be active / inactive for typing out longer sentences (together with “all typing” and “auto correct” in your offical Memrise (PT) 1-7 courses.

There is no “one fits all users solution” on the planet.
Give the power back to the user himself to decide, what he wants on a personal / time / course level.


And if you have not heard it before:

There is another user script called “Auto correct” which completes typed characters in non-accent Portuguese/Spanish/French form and changes it automatically to the right full character of the foreign language, but let’s the user press the ENTER button to accept his answer.

I have it activated all the time and it is great for:
a) strict-typing courses (e.g DuoLingo PT BR by MartinPen)
b) offical PT1-7 Memrise courses and being able type longer sentences (“all typing” activated

My tests have shown, especially for the 1-7 Memrise courses, that “Memrise Turbo” definitely conflicted with “Auto correct”, as you had no time anymore to read the complete (corrected) answer, if even the last words used accents.

Each character / word is corrected automatically…
But a learner needs more time to check the final answer and to hammer all shown accents (e.g à, è, special c, a with ~) into his head.

Of course I will deeply re-test the great “Auto correct” user script with your new “Auto accept” code for all my Portuguese courses, but honestly, I already expect bigger problems!


Summary II):

You can’t please everyone with a forced update.
Never ever touch / change a running system!
And if you do, makes features at least user- (settings) or learning/review session configurable, right before the start.

We are no kindergarden / school kids anymore, but we want to decide for ourself how we want to use a “feature” or not.

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Auto-accept is the most irritating thing one could ever implement! It doesn’t help to increase the typing review sessions, it merely “helps” to cheat on reviewing, it simply shows that the word was typed incorrectly before pressing Enter. I’m completely disappointed.
Please, please, remove it or make it optional!

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This whole thing is bewildering. My first experience of the new setup was so mentally jarring, I could not continue past the first two or three words.

Please fix ASAP. I cannot recommend memrise to anybody with this current functionality.

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