To have a hidden alternative, preceed the word with an underscore (e.g. ā_vƦreā).
I wouldnāt worry too much about accidentally adding the same word in another level, as Memrise will usually mark that word as learned for users participating in the course. Of course, do try to avoid adding duplicates ā just donāt fret over it.
Levels
Memrise course levels should mimic exactly the Duolingo Norwegian tree levels.
Except when unnecessarily redundant (e.g. I left out plurals and definite plurals in most cases).
Word format
indefinite article + word
Include hidden alternative of the word alone.
Example: āA treeā -> āet treā.
Verbs
ātoā + verb
Include hidden alternative of the verb alone.
Example: āTo beā -> āĆ„ vƦreā.
Disclaimer
I created this course to mirror the vocabulary of the Norwegian course on Duolingo. In no way is this course officially affiliated with Duolingo, the staff, or the course creators of the Norwegian course on Duolingo.
Makes sense Shane, thanks for putting this together.
Any specific advice/recommendations about how you are handling femine (i.e. āeiā) nouns?
My currently understanding is that grammatically, it is acceptable to use either āenā or āeiā as the indefinite article for feminine nouns.
From an everyday usage perspective though, it seems like some words tends to āleanā one way or the other more often. For example, I almost always see āei koneā (not sure Iāve ever seen āen koneā yet). But other words tend to lean the other way and you generally see āenā where āeiā would be used (i.e. Iāve generally seen āen badedrakt/badedraktenā over āei badedrakt/badedraktaā.
Iām assuming we should include all grammatically acceptable forms as much as we can, but do you have any thoughts on what we should set as the preferred/visible vs. alternate/hidden forms for feminine nouns?
Just to make it more messy, Iām also finding that some words that I assumed were only masculine (āen bilā and āen armā for example), actually are treated as feminine in regions of Norway (in Trondheim, Iām hearing people say āei bilā and āei armā). Iām thinking itās best to ignore these in what we do in Memrise, but Iām learning to be aware that there are still regional variations from what is āofficialā.
Honestly, I prefer āeiā to āenā. When possible, I think itās nice to learn which words are feminine (Duolingo doesnāt always use the feminine version). However, yes you are correct in that āeiā and āenā are interchangeable.
I personally think that feminine words should be taught as āei koneā (and have āen koneā as a hidden alternative, e.g. ā_en koneā). Likewise, one should inherently know that āei koneā could also be āen koneā. However, if you teach words as āen koneā, then itās not always obvious which words are feminine. Thus, words should be taught as feminine when possible.
I also think we should stick with standard bokmĆ„l as we canāt really be accountable for every regional dialect.
I agree with your thoughts on feminine nouns and regional.
I had the following list of changes saved from my 2.0 lessons/reviews over the last few weeks for āClothingā (Level 12). Do you mind taking a look and let me know what feedback you have?
Iām also curious how Level 12 now looks to you as a learner? I donāt see most of the new words, maybe because they are duplicates of words in other lessons, or maybe they go to you as the course owner to approve? I do see āet undertĆøyā now listed and it put it as already learned for me with immediate review needed. (Just trying to understand how our changes will affect people already using this course.)
One question, when Memrise is giving you lists of possible matches when adding a new word, do you know if this list is being pulled just from our Duolingo Norwegian course (i.e. is it telling me the word is already in our course?) or is it pulling from some larger list (i.e. I donāt really know for sure if itās already in our course or not)?
briller (plural noun) - glasses
lesebriller (plural noun) ā reading glasses
kle pĆ„ seg (reflexive verb phrase) ā to get dressed
kle av seg (reflexive verb phrase) ā to get undressed
ha pĆ„ seg (reflexive verb phrase) ā to wear, to be wearing
en stĆøvel (noun) ā a boot
en vott (noun) ā a mitten
ei veske (noun) ā a bag, a purse
en pose (noun) ā a bag
et undertĆøy (noun) ā an underwear
Ahhh, I didnāt fully catch on to how Memrise manages words/phrases and the association of the words/phrases to a given level(s). I think Iāve got it now.
I only added the above words to the overall database yesterday. I didnāt realize that I had to associate them to a given level as a separate step. Iāve gone ahead and done this with the words listed in my previous post now. (I also had added a few of the words in the list above multiple times. When I didnāt see them in the Clothing - Level 12, I thought I had forgotten to save them. Now I realize that they were in the word list multiple times, just not associated with any Levels. Iāve cleaned this up as well.)
Also, now that I understand the concepts of words/phrases and their association to a given level, Iām donāt see any harm in having one word/phrase assigned to multiple levels. In fact, Iām assuming a few people using this course will just pick and choose a few categories to review, and putting a word in multiple levels will mean that those users donāt miss a relevant word just because it was in another Level.
One question though, if Iām looking at word/phrase, is there any way to see which Level(s), or lack thereof a word is currently associated with? (When I was cleaning up my duplicates, I was never sure if I was cleaning up an unassociated duplicate or the already associated original. So sorry if I messed up any existing levels. Iām generally a pretty quick learner, so I should have it down now.)
So, now that Iāve ACTUALLY made changes to Clothing - Level 12, have a look and let me know what feedback you have. Iāll hold off on making more changes for now so that I can incorporate any feedback you have into future changes I make (Iād like the course users to not be able to see any difference in my edits vs. yours).
Very nice work! Maybe it would be useful to add some pronunciation help in square brackets where it is not clear from the general rules. For example when āoā is not pronounced as [u] but as [o] as in ākortā or when something is pronounced as [Ʀ] as in ājegā or when a ādā is silent as in āmedā.
I would also like to contribute. I am still going over Duolingo course for the first time (currently at Philosophy, around 60%), so I can simply add the new levels and words as I see whatās missing.
I noticed some of the words have audio - maybe it would be useful to add more of that? I think it really helps with learning. http://forvo.com/ seems to be a good site for this - it lets you download .mp3 files for free and should be easy to include in the course.
Also, Level 27 (Places): en skogkatt ( a forest cat) - I donāt think it belongs here, probably from some higher level I still havenāt reached.
I am assuming that users of this course use Duolingo or another Norwegian course for pronunciation. I feel that if I start adding these types of things into the vocabulary that it will āclogā up the course.
Fixed both words to have alternatives of each other.
Fixed.
While adding audio would certainly be a nice touch, downloading and adding audio for ~2.7k words would be quite a tremendous task. I do not have plans to do so anytime soon ā although you are more than welcome to help do so.
One of the biggest problems is that the Norwegian 2.0 tree moved dozens of words from one level to another (e.g. from āJobsā to āWorkā or visa-versa). This is probably the case with āen skogskattā. Additionally, there is no easy way to move words in levels in Memrise; I can move levels, but to move words requires adding the words to the new level and then deleting them from the old level (if you delete first, then you risk losing the words from the database and causing users to have to āre-plantā them).
At this point, I am mostly concerned with the new words that the Norwegian 2.0 tree added (I believe around 1,000 new words were added).
I would be more than delighted to have you help out with this course.
Education (Lv. 38):
en lesevanske - a reading difficulty
Home (new level, should be after Lv. 45 Verbs - Modal)
Ć„ rydde - to tidy, to clean
Ć„ stĆøvsuge - to vacuum
ei dĆørmatte - a doormat
en peis - a fireplace
ei trapp - a staircase, stairs
et strykebrett - an ironing board
et teppe - a carpet
I had already started to gather some audio files for the words I find difficult, I agree they are not a priority, but they will come in handy and add up with time.
There is an error in level 36: The word count is 61, although there are only 60 words in the actual lecture. Answer in the bug forum:
āāDo you know if the word count in the upper-left of the level page
matches the number of items actually in it? Either way, it sounds to me
like a common issue with the courseās database not updating after a
change has been made to it. The course creator or a contributor should
be able to fix it if this is the case, by going to the level editor and
clicking āSave and continueā at the bottom of the page. If that number
doesnāt match up, it may also be necessary for them to go into the
affected levelās testing direction settings and clicking āSaveā without
changing anything.āā
New words in Duolingo level Verbs: Review (48. Verbs - Intermediate)
Ć„ erstatte - to change, replace, recompense
Ć„ starte_Ć„ begynne - to start
Ć„ forbedre - to improve
Ć„ vakne - to wake up, arise
vekka_vekket_vekkte (past tense) - woke up, arose
Ć„ spare - to save, reserve
Ć„ godta - to accept, put up with
Ć„ sjekke - to check, have a look
Ć„ gjenta - to repeat
en grunn - a reason, cause_ground (extra meaming, seems it can be interpreted as literal ground)
Also, these are introduced as new words at this level (i think they are removed from Verbs - Present 3)
Ć„ respektere - to respect
Ć„ produsere - to producere
en stjerne - a star
en planet - a planet
et univers - a universe
et verdensrom - an (outer) space
en mƄne - a moon
New words - sorry if there are more duplicates among these, I donāt have the access to the entire tree in Duolingo so I donāt know what is on the higher levels. Is there any way to search the wordlist of the entire Memrise course to quickly check for duplicates?
en satellitt - the satellite
et teleskop - a telescope
en galakse - galaxy
et ormehull - a wormhole
Ć„ reise i tid - to time-travel
en energi - an energy
en tyngdekraft - a gravity
en bane - an orbit,course, field, pitch
en astornaut - an astronaut
et smell - a bang
en astronomi - (an) astronomy
en romstasjon - a space station
et solsystem - a solar system
utenomjordisk - extraterrestrial
Ć„ utforske - to explore, probe
et mysterium - a mystery
enrom - enormous
en base - a base
Ć„ lyse - to brighten, light, beam, flash
ubeboelig - uninhabitable
beboelig - habitable
Ć„ etablere - to establish
Yes, I believe there is a way to check for duplicate entries. When editing the course, go to Databases > Norwegian. From there, I believe you can search the words that are already in the course. Example: searching for āĆøkonomiā results in only āei Ćøknomiā, which is in level 66 - Business.
Note that it is not necessary to update here with the words you add ā there are over a thousand new words in the Norwegian 2.0 tree.
I donāt think I can edit the course since I am not an official contributor so I thought you would use the lists to update the base until you give me access :-/
