Are you serious with this new update?

:smile: I saw your original post and could very well understand your strong reaction. Still, I was pleased to see that you rephrased it - only then could I bring myself to give a like.

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@tailsthebest1 you’ve been using Memrise for about a year you say, but some of us have been around since the start - 5 years or more.

Early on, Memrise had so much potential with a loyal and intelligent user base that knew the system inside and out, and language experts willing to share their knowledge and create great courses.

Memrise has taken it’s own direction, time and time again instituting “new features” which generally seem to be a waste of time when there are so many things they could do to enhance the user experience. So people do get pissed off, I’m feeling like answering you today because it was another facepalm moment when I went to my dashboard to review a course.

At the end of the day, isn’t Memrise meant to be making money now? If so shouldn’t updates be an improvement?

Or are you all Memrise staff trying to tank the company for some insurance payout?

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You should look at the profiles, so to know whom you’re speaking with (ok, the team took out profiles on the web… ayayay): you learn 6-7 courses, I, over the years, more than 350, now currently 95 on the dashboard (and spent weeks and months as contributor and creator etc). I wonder how can one think the current “dashboard” even deserves the name… it is simply not functional. For the last 4 years, the team made everything is its power to chase away web users. The last updates are absolutely detrimental for those learning languages written in scripts other than Latin etcetcetc

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true, they’re overreacting, but memrise has to blame itself for that
after all those changes, lots of people just don’t trust it anymore, and they start to fear that the reasons they came to memrise might be gone after a while
especially the deletion of the mems wrought havoc on memrise’s image
nowadays they only perceive them as sneeky money-grabbing schemers

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Aight, good for you, don’t get why flexing about how many courses you’ve done make your opinion more valid then mine tho? Personally I find the current dashboard easy to use, but I agree that that’s completely up to personal opinion.

Look, I’m just gonna say it now, if you really hate Memrise this vehemently, think that’s it’s practically unusable and only going to get worse ect. Why don’t you just leave? Save yourself and others time and do what many have suggested, jump ship to another website with user created courses (Anki is a name I’ve heard thrown around). I mean, it’s pretty clear that you despise this site, in it’s current states at least, and don’t trust the team behind the site to improve it, so sure it would be better for you to just change to another site and maybe return to this one if it returns to how you want it. This may come off rude but I’m being genuine here.

(Edit: I have been enlightened via another thread that you already use Anki, so there you go.)

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@leggi
First off, and once again, I have absolutely nothing to do with Memrise or the team behind it minus being a user, so those last two question are completely irrelevant to me.

Also, I really do get what you mean, as I’ve mention before, I was on Live Mocha every day back in the day before it got sold out, and then turn from a great community based language learning to a big advertisement. Seeing a website I loved so much get complete ruined really sucked, and it would suck if the same happened to Memrise, especially if you were here from day one. However, Memrise is a modern website and business, they’re expected to make changes and changes they will make. And ultimately, the opinion of whether they are positive or negative changes are down to personal preference, not time spent on the website. I’ll bet that there is users that have been on the site for 5 years and live it’s current iteration, similarly I bet there people who have been on here since March and hate Ziggy with a passion. So I do understand your worries, Memrise has proven themselves to be fairly unpredictable, however I don’t think that discovering the site early gives you a more valid opinion, more insight to the older iterations? Maybe, but more important? No, I’m still an active user, just like you and everyone else, our opinions are equally as valid, no matter how long we’ve been on (with some obvious leeway).

I still stand by that a website is going to make changes, and you can almost never please everyone, but yeah, I’ll definitely admit that I can see why people are concerned, Memrise have made some questionable decisions, and removing the literal namesake of your entire website on a whim is not only pretty stupid, but is also a surefire way to make quite a lot of your users lose a fair chunk of their trust in you, as it unsurprisingly did.

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finishing touch

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been using memrise for over a year
less than 1,000,000 points
active

Righto.

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i don’t understand your question. What’s so amazing??? in 5 years on memrise, what do you think I did? or you are just trolling me?

Hey! Some people are slower than others :wink:

I have taken around 70 courses, and need to review some words here and there all the time. I definitely don’t see how I could start to like a dashboard where I need to click on each of my courses to check every day if I maybe have 5-6 words to review. I guess you can like this dashboard if you only work with very few courses.
So what did Memrise think? (certainly nothing, it’s just a rethorical question). I mean, even you only study Memrise-made courses, you can end up afterwards with 20-30 courses. Imagine checking them one by one every day: who can think it’s more convenient to do this, than to see immediately on the dashboard the courses you have to review (as it was before)?

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So it’s quite clear: those who can cope with the “new Memrise” are people who just use it a little, once in a while, or are new.
Is it the kind of learners Memrise wants as its new core of customers? It won’t work then. By definition, people who are new or who use the product just a little, will not pay for it. Hardcore users pay. So basically, Memrise chooses to aim at non-paying users??

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Hi @Leggi,

I think you probably hit the nail.

Somehow it starts to feel more and more “remote controlled” to me, even I only started Memrise learning with web portal since last October 2016.

I already missed some “taken away” features like “auto_learn”, “ignore duplicates” for a whole course, etc.

Why would a company REMOVE features, which have been there already (like review words count on the dashboard, showing max streak badget)??

And with one of the more recent review code updates (some weeks ago) they even have killed Cooljingle’s great user script "Memrise Catch-Up Review!!!
THIS script - which was 100% fully working (even with offical Memrise courses 1-7!) - would have helped me to review all completed courses to effectively get my backlog count down (no, I don’t want to use multiple choice or speed reviews)!!!

Q: Does Memrise maybe have a new investment company (or multiple) which now controls what needs to be released, how and when, to have the money rolling and the devs have to follow very hard set deadlines (ever heard about QS and testing departments?)

Q: Has everyone from the “old web portal” frontend/backend developer team left?
Q: Are the developing youngsters - from the mobile teams - pushing (too much) their ideas?

Q: Who has (taken over) control over the feature development?
“Business developers” 3rd party companies?
What does the Memrise CEO / CTO do nowadays?

More insides to the company and UK teams hierachy may be needed trying to understand what is really happening in the background…

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Thought I was the only one really annoyed by the new format :confused: it is very time consuming to go back and forth checking which courses are ready to review. This doesn’t matter if you have one or two courses, the headache is checking the sub-menu when you have 20+ past/ongoing courses. Please bring the old format back :’(

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When you present it like this, I don’t know why, but I understand all this mess much better.

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no prob (my “old” profile explained all; I knew some 8-9 languages before joining memrise, trilingual by “birth”/family and studies “abroad” - what ever that “abroad” might be; pity that those “user cards” were deleted by the team)

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I know right, i cant even check my group ranking for important schoolwork.

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Call me Salvatore (of Umberto Eco in the Name of the Rose). That means I know many and none :smirk:. Without obvious hitches, 5. As for the rest: some other 2 are somehow avanced level because I use them almost daily in a certain measure, but for the most I’d say sort of intermediate. I am still fighting hard with to reach some upper-beginner intermediate level in Mandarin, after … a long period of trying. Also I forgot some languages I took as optionals when a student, unfortunately. If I am lucky, live long enough, stay healthy :elf: and I continue to afford myself financially to spend time learning, I hope to reach 15 - I hope.

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It has been abundantly clear for at least a year, and probably longer, that Memrise hates the web users and was going to continue gradually ruining the web site over time. I don’t understand why anyone is still surprised by this, or expects anything better from them.

Our priorities should be:

  1. Getting a way to export user-created courses off memrise. However much they hold us all in contempt, we can still hope they’ll understand the vast number of hours people poured into making the old community memrise great, should at least be matched by some effort on their part to let us save our own work. But if not, maybe people can develop user scripts to export courses.

  2. Putting together a viable alternative to memrise, something that does what the old community memrise did and is committed to continuing it for the long term. I’d definitely support that with money.

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