Is there any way to do an overall review? I am near the end of French 3 having gone through almost 1,100 words. However, each classic review usually goes over the current lesson only. Meanwhile I am getting almost no review of previous lessons. There are all kinds of discussions about the benefits of spaced repetitions and flash cards. It seems like an obvious addition to Memrise.
âcurrent lessonâ
What is this?
It might help if you use the correct specifications.
On Memrise there is just
- a) a learning / reviewing session
- b) different levels of a course
- c) multiple courses 1-3 (1-7)
This is the Memrise SR: http://memrise-users.wikia.com/wiki/Memrise_Spaced_Repetition_Intervals
You also can do over-watering for a course (multiple words of mixed levels), even with Cooljingleâs user script âall typingâ activatedâŚ
If you want to review ALL words, you could use the PREVIEW feature of a level.
Do you still review courses French1 + French2 or do you just hit the blue âReviewâ button for the French language filter, which will include every course which is on your dashboard and has words to be watered?
Well, if you have nothing to review anymore, repaying a classic review will do all the words eventually, at least that is my experience.
The easy way is to set maximum words to review to 100 in one session, then enter a level and do a review. Do for all levels. Should do the trick: I think that way you can review all vocab in one course,. Might be easier than a script
Thank you. By âLessonâ I mean numbered package of related activities. For example, French Level 3, has 44 lessons. Perhaps MR is using the term âsessionâ which implies to me a fixed time period, rather than a coherent section of vocabulary which can be learned over multiple days. The lessons/sessions are usually well organized clusters of 15-20 words/phrases that usually are related (e.g. months of the year, days of the week, types of fruit, etc.). In any event, the âclassic reviewâ lately has been including misc words from other lessons, but in general the class review seems to cover the lesson/session at hand. Sometimes these classic reviews go on and on, and finally go to the main menu and force it to the next session/lesson to learn new words. There are only so many times you can type âle pop-cornâ. But I definitely need an overall review to hold to what I learned at one time.
A session is indeed a fixed time âperiodâ in the sense that it is one learning sitting. For example, the user click âReviewâ and is presented 25 words, after which it says âfinsihedâ and gives some statistics. That is a session.
A lesson we also call a Level at memrise. If you open a level, and click Review, it will only review words from that level, never from another one.
If you click Review in the course itself (where you see the list of levels), then it will let you review the ones that are need to be reviewed first. Very often, that are the words from the level you just studied a few hours ago, but as you progress, older words also come up, depending on how long it was ago you saw them for the last time.
It sound that you are still pretty confused with all the specifications
Your 44 example in French 3 are levels, not lessons.
DuoLingo has âskillsâ and âlessonsâ (in a tree), Memrise not.
If you click the (global) blue (classic) review button to water items, due words (according to SR) will be mixed from multiple levels, always!
If you like to do over-watering (Review button is grey) you can also do this, but the mixing across levels is the same and continues for picking different words which are due on different days (e.g 12 days, 60days, 120days, etc.).
Actually this mixing is a good one, as there may be different synonyms across levels and this random question stuff helps not to focus too much only on those words which you have recently learned 4h or 12h in a level.
So you could say:
The global classic review is more difficult (because of old words, level mixing) than reviewing the recently learned level the same or 1-2 days ago.
If you want to (classic) review (due) words or over-water words from a specific level, you first have to open the level and hit the review button there.
Learning / review sessions (as John pointed out):
You can customize the session (progress bar) and max. word count in your settings: https://www.memrise.com/settings/learning/
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Review session: 100 words (max) makes sense.
You can always opt-out if you use Cooljingleâs âinfinitive learningâ user script by clicking the number on the top left.
With only 15-20 words in a review you will not come very far.
If there are more, the script should poll for the next words to be reviewed batch (not sure if it still does with the latest Memrise updates). -
Learning session: On the web I would want to suggest: 15
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The Memrise Android mobile app allows up to 10 (max) for learning.
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The mobile app uses half-planting (3 flower steps), the web app most of the time is successful in planting the flower in 6 steps at the same time (sometimes for a few words with many errors you can not do it in a single session)
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If you want to continue learning new words fro a level which was half-planted on the mobile app (three flower steps), you would have to adjust your web setting to 10, to match the learning setting of your mobile app.
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With the latest Dashboard update on the web portal, Memrise wantâs to force you to learn new words, even the backlog is filled (blue review button)
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The web portal now tries to force back and force with learning new words vs review vs learn (the mobile app does this always after 10 half-planted words; I have to blick the green learn button a 2nd time and I bypass the review)
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Donât learn too many new words on the web portal, as ALL words will be fully planted and are due for the next review in 4-5h (then 12h) hours.
The more words you learn at the same time, the quicker your backlog queue is filled! -
DuoLingo uses most of the time 7 words per lesson (=level in a Duo skill)
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If you learn new 2 lessons / per day, this equals to 14 words
-> therefore my 15 learn new words setting recommendation on the Memrise web portal (sometimes I switch back and force between 15 and 10)
I have learned over 1,100 words (888,000 points) in 21 days. So I am learning more like 50 words per day - day-in-and-day out. But I need more of an overall review. Most of the time when I do a âclassic reviewâ which is part of a session, it usually is centered on the particular sessionâs vocabulary. Although lately, I have seen more general review words coming in (now that I am at level 40 in French 3).
I have never seen the âglobal reviewâ. Where do I find that? I am doing all this on an iPhone mainly.
Regarding the terminology of a âsessionâ, actually one of the advantages I like about Memrise is the ability to continue while I am in line at the bank, or whatever so I can make use of a few minutes of free time when it becomes available - rather than get into an hour long lesson in Fluenz or RocketFrench or whatever.
If you learn 50 NEW words when your backlog queue is not zero, you might miss those 4+12h repetitions, as the queue is still filled with older words!
Memrise is not AnkiSRS where you could prioritize due <1-7d review words for a defined 10-20m âreviewing sessionâ.
AnkiDroid (free) is available for Android to sync the AnkiSRS server.
There is a commercial IOS app available which probably is better than the IOS rudimentary Memrise app.
If you want to review all 1100 words you can use the web portal âPreviewâ feature - course-wise (not for all).
AnkiSRS would allow you to create a âfiltered deckâ.
Maybe Memrise does not provide those features what you wantâŚ
You can either review per course or per language (on the web app).
To do the language review with a global review button on the web portal, you first need to select the language from the top right combo select box (normally âWith goal setâ is the filter you wuold want).
Sorry, I am not an Englisrh native speakerâŚbut I did not understand this phrase the first time in your ohter comment(s)âŚand I do really not understand it another time in this context.
As explained: Memrise is a spaced repetition (SR) software.
You will ONLY see the words in a review, which are âdueâ.
You will NOT see the rest of the words you have learned but which are NOT due.
A âsessionâ is a defined learning or review cycle.
If your review setting on the web portal is 100 (mobile wonât allow you to do that), 100 due words are polled from one course over all levels (mixed) and are presented to you with the âprogress barâ (on the web).
I do not use the review on Android, but I do not guess that there is any âprogress barâ on a mobile app??
I can not test IOS, sorryâŚ
I meant the classic review per course, not in a single level.
There is another âglobal global reviewâ button on the web portal with the language filter. See my explanation above.
Haha.
Forget EVERYTHING what we have told you, as we were only speaking about the full-blown Memrise web portal.
What I have heard is that the IOS app does not provide the same features as the Android app does?!
You can test it on an Android emulator like KOPlayer, Bluestacks, NOX on a computer.
Android has two views (the space simple view and a more advanced classic view).
IMHO you really should stop reviewing words on a mobile app.
This tapping and multiple choice stuff vs âall typingâ (on the web portal) with Cooljingleâs activated scripts just gives you too many hints and FALSE positives.
Yes, you can learn (10) NEW words on the mobile app - I did with Android before.
But reviewing?
Suggestion:
Try the web portal and install a bunch of user scripts to enhance your experience (disable âauto acceptâ, âauto correctâ for diacritics, âall typingâ to turn OFF multiple choice + audio M/C, etc.
There is a long âall user scriptsâ threads here on the forum.
You definitely want to install Cooljingleâs âInfinite learningâ.
I agree. What helps me is, doing immediately a review after planting. Then I see the words for the seventh time and if I have it wrong, it will be reviewed more often in the future. It is more random than during the planting phase.
Wow, that is a lot! Of a completely different language or a language that is similar to one you already know or that you are somehow familiar with?
I could learn more than 20 words a day, but then the reviewing becomes a too big of a task and I donât water the plants in time, i.e. forgotten again. And even if I do a review after learning 20, they stick less well than having learned 10.
Hi John,
I am curious, as I do not do this 7th step for the next 4-5h review interval quite often:
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a) do you use the course (global) classic review button to do this?
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b) is your course backlog queue always ZERO when you learn/plant NEW words?
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c) how do you get the 4-5h next review interval (or letâs say 12h or both) if your course backlog queue is filled and you learned NEW words ignoring this fact
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d) would you do a level-wise review for the NEW planted words to exactly review those words with the next 4h+12h SR intervals if your course backlog (mixed levels, quite old words) is completely filled and you can not get it down to ZERO with a single 100 words review session before on the web portal?
We were discussion this in another thread and I wrote there that I believe that the next review steps
- 4h
- and next 2nd step 12h
are being added to backlog queue, but you can not see them as all other older words need to be eliminated first (FIFO).
If I will always miss the next two 4+12h intervals after planting because of filled backlog queue or not reviewing on-time, this will not help in the short- to mid-term process in planting the words into your brain
Do you have different experiences, that you see 4+12h interval words sometimes BEFORE others (or well mixed in)?
I have never carefully checkedâŚ
Honestly, I never did a level-wise review, even Memrise supports it.
Planting many levels with half-planted words (first 10) on Android or the web portal does NOT give you the option to add a âlevel reviewâ to get those 4+12h SR intervals, because there may be more than one level!!
AnkiSRS does not use 4+12h review intervals, but you could setup different learning steps. And learning always occurs before reviewing, if the SR intervals do not cross the 24h border.
I think you are quite right:
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If we miss single SR intervals like 4h, 12h, 1 day, 6 days a complete reset to 4/12h is not always welcome.
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AnkiSRS uses a different concept which the user could customize (either default settings or addons) that it goes not to the very first beginning of the SR intervals, but jumps back a few percentages (1-100% is all customizable) or straight to the previous interval.
I think âOverduenessâ must be carefully handledâŚMemrise does not care and most always reset to the beginning.
Half-planted words on the Android app are for me more an exception, than the standard, especially planting 10 words across many different levels, to push a course forward.
No, my backlog is not always zero, but often in the level at hand it is zero. So that is where I do the review.
And, if i donât do my reviews - if a backlog creeps up, I start really forgetting words and need to re-learn them⌠not very helpful.
I think about 1/3 of French is similar to English, 1/3 is similar to Spanish, and 1/3 otherwise. I am in French 4 now, and there are a lot of sentence structures but no explanation for grammar rules - but its kind of a similar layout as Spanish in many cases (I you like instead of I like you I English), or I am trying to infer some grammar rules. I think I need to do more cross-training with books or Youtube videos on verb conjugations and grammar.
Those offical Memrise 1-7 (incl. phrase/sentence) courses are even more useful if you have completed a DuoLingo course and all available grammar skills.
Now I know about Imperative, past/future tenses and Subjunctive, it is for me much easier to understand the examples.
Even with my 1st course âLearn Basic BR PTâ by BenWhately gave me several â???â when I saw the Imperative in action but have not learned it before. Those are the âAhha!â moments (much) later
BTW: I have completed both Memrise+Duo in parallel (maybe PT 6+7 a little bit after my Duo tree).
If you do not want to buy a (grammar) book (quite useful to have in parallel):
You can actively review the skills and written âtips and notesâ especially for grammar tenses, imperative, Subjunctive (at least for English-Portuguese) in your DuoLingo tree.
There are also some threads and grammar stuff written down in the Duo discussion forum collected together in a big single summary content thread.
I know this for sure for Portuguese, I heard it about Spanish (tree shall lack more âtips and notesâ starting at 50% than PT)âŚand it will probably be also true for the French language.