vielen dank! (schon 3 klotzige Scripts am Bein bis dato ))
The auto-accept feature and on-screen characters absolutely ruin many Japanese Kanji courses. Particularly if you are studying one character at a time, since in this case you can just test out every kanji on screen once until auto-accept shows you which one is right. There is absolutely no down side for the end user if these features are made optional, and the lack of choice and customization on memrise is what makes people favor other SRS apps more.
Please, either make these features optional or remove them.
EDIT: Also, auto-accept doesn’t work if there are parentheses within the answer (even though the parentheses, and whatever is within them is not necessary for the answer)
You mention that only non-english “special” characters are there, but that is not the case. I’m learning Cantonese via the jyutping system, which uses the Latin alphabet plus numbers. Apparently because it’s still “chinese” the “special symbols” I need, despite being english, still pop up and make things WAY TOO EASY. PLEASE disable this!
Make auto-accept an option. You said the feedback was mixed. So you choose to destroy the learning experience of about 50% of your clients. Bad choice. I will NOT renew my subscription because of this, and because I have absolutely no guarantee that you will not play with your toy in the future as you do now, and **** it up even more. I paid for something in June, I have now something completely different (auto-accept, ugly design, etc.)
How can you imagine many people will accept it, not to talk about seeing it as “improvements”. You are the only ones here who want to change things, most of us were happy with what we had. And that was what, again, I paid for. I did NOT pay for the site as it is now, and will never, ever, do.
The worst thing about this has been the wall of silence from the memrise team. I’ve sent two messages via the website in the last 48 hours and received no reply, and there has been no interaction with users via this forum, although it presumably is being monitored. The literally non-existent customer service and seemingly “stick your head in the sand until it blows over” attitude for a product charging similar monthly prices to services such as Amazon Prime and Netflix is pretty outrageous… I’ve been a pro member for almost three years. I’ve never used any of the additional features and just paid to support what I felt was an really innovative and worthwhile venture. However as a Korean learner the addition of the syllables under the input window has effectively ruined the learning experience, and unfortunately the attitude of the memrise team towards the users – particularly the pro members, many of whom, like myself, are probably paying out of goodwill - has also ruined my faith in the project.
I completely agree with the mainstream request: let the user choose:
- if he likes the “auto-accept” feature, of he prefer to hit enter (I definitely go for the second option)
- if he want to see the virtual keyboard or not ((I definitely go for the second option)
In my opinions, both of the two options make things too easy and impair the learning experience.
Well rather than hitting enter I actually have to hit backspace now all the damn time to clear out my previous answer.
So auto-accept really does not work as intended at all! It is too painful and I’ve cut down on all of my reviews, a lot.
(Japanese learner).
So I was glad they removed it last time they changed it and now the whole mess is back. I only use memrise because it is effective. Was effective. I guess I have to search for other options where I can actually decide if I want to enter my answer and where I can decide to use my own keyboard.
The worst thing is that they could just freaking make it optional in the settings instead of ignoring the user feedback. Woohoo. Award for best communication ever.
Also my view has been explained by all the other user above. I want to be able to decide how to learn and now it’s just not effective anymore for me. So I will rather use my time for other things.
EDIT: Also I am not normally the type to just rant and criticise, but I already gave a logical explanation last time this happened and after being ignored what is there left than to rant when you feel angry because of being ignored.
To add to this, @BeaTrisy has commented at least three times to OTHER threads. She’s here. She’s reading. She’s choosing to remain silent.
Shes not the CEO, CFO, what ever O. People like her probably have restrictions on what they are allowed to comment on. This forum is way too cynical. Demanding her to answer is not going to help the case. They are reading the thread, I can probably assure that.
And she can’t say that herself? That due to company policy she’s not authorized to comment? Would be better if someone said SOMETHING to that effect than this dead silence.
"we’re running with the belief that the increase in speed through the session makes it a net improvement for your learning experience."
Er…, excuse me, but where in the world did you see that faster “learning” is a better learning. I mean, everybody knows it is wrong. To learn, you have to take your time, sometimes to reflect about what you write, etc. etc. With the auto-accept, you sometimes don’t even realize what the right answer was, because it’s validated before you wrote the whole answer you had in mind.
I don’t want to make fun out of it, but have you tested “Memrise Turbo”?
It’s code used a clear() text box line and I never had the issue to manually have to delete any text in the next question window (empty textbox).
Maybe you want to test if a double “wrong” solution might fix it temporarily for you?
Currently I have it deactivated and I am doing some PT BR 7 course reviews.
As far as I can remember, I did not have to manually delete characters / multiple words from a sentence with “Turbo” deactivated and “Auto accept” in action.
It may also depend on the course and language???
I probably also need to do many more tests for myself to be sure what works and what does not…
Auto correct has been positive for me so far. I always got so annoyed when I failed simply due to a typo. I’m still failing stuff too, so I don’t see the big deal.
I would just like to be able to turn the on-screen keyboard off now.
I use the keyboard with no suggestions and therefore more options, so I am only one of a few here who agrees (so far) with @Mc_Skops :
Auto correct has been positive for me so far. I always got so annoyed when I failed simply due to a typo.
This actually helps me learn (including non language courses) as I now get it right at the time and do not input the wrong answer, reinforcing it in my memory.
Also, sometimes the right answer is just another solution (ie no alternatives have been set up) so it helps me remember which answer a particular course wants.
This has been helpful when answers needed “Ocean” after “Pacific” and other didn’t and then some people add “The” and others don’t.
And finally it helps with art courses where the artist has a strange spelling of their name.
It’s no surprise that Memrise’s primary focus is the app and (their own) language courses, and that’s what drives the changes they make. It’s also clear from recent changes that user-created content, regardless of its quality or subject matter, is now simply tolerated rather than actively encouraged as was once the case. This situation seems unlikely to change, at least in the short term. Ben Whately inferred as much in the forum some time ago.
From the comments posted in this thread, the re-introduction of auto-accept, particularly as it relates to learning via the web version, suits some learning styles but not others. We are not all the same. Our learning needs and preferences are not all the same. Course content is not all the same (eg different alphabets, single words, short phrases, longer phrases, treatment of punctuation, strict typing, etc).
As others have said, much of the current unhappiness could be removed by making auto-accept optional. Even if it has to be the default setting, allow us to turn it off in a similar way to “Go without a mem”.
So, how about it, Memrise?
This is an occasion where one size does not fit all. Right now, it feels a bit like this:
one should ask Ed Cooke and Daniel Zohar about these absolutely detrimental changes
and, sorry, ask if memrise has still anything to do with learning - i’ve toyed in the morning with the app, and it is finally just a game, nothing else but a guessing game.
Which is, of course, excellent news as for the Chinese market; some well-done “guess English the easy way (look at the 1 to 7 English for Mandarin)” can feed nicely all memrise staff for a couple of years now
and which is bad news for Non-Chinese learning, say, pinyin… the auto-accept makes learning this and that absolutely impossible
You know, I sometimes use the Android app on the Bluestacks emulator.
But ONLY for learning / planting NEW words.
If I would own an Android smartphone, I probably would do that too - learn 10-20 NEW words - when I am on the road / another city / park bank, etc.
Reviewing:
I can’t think of effective reviewing WITHOUT using the web portal and multiple user scripts activated to prevent FALSE POSITIVES.
Please make the auto accept an option because I would choose not to use it. There is a problem with the Japanese where the previous answer will show up on the next question and it is really distracting to have to keep erasing the last answer. Please fix this, I love using memrise but it’s starting to just frustrate me rather than help me learn.
it really is. I’ve never used speed review for Japanese, but I’m HIGHLY thinking of employing it right now because I’ve been demotivated since these changes, and my review count has skyrocketed.