Memrise Release Notes - 25 Sep 2017 (Changes to typing tests)

really enjoying the auto accept. Fantastic for synonyms, and great for strict typing when you forget the capital letter.

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There are probably even more impressive examples but at least for korean its really annoying: The hints displayed are not just the letters but rather complete syllables. So if there is a word consisting of eight letters in two syllables I already see the word just cut in half and mixed among a few other syllables. I just needed to click the right two syllables instead of typing out eight letters…
I think that was already implemented in the mobile app, but it was possible the hide by popping up the keyboard to type. (not entirely sure, since I haven’t used it due to the auto accept feature which it already had as well xD)

I really don’t want to be a negative nancy, and I appreciate the attempt of the memrise team to develop their webpage, but it is really irritating having to constantly look away from the pc screen, just to avoid the hints.

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Auto accept is easier than manually proceeding. Also please start tagging changes as either app or desktop changes as they are, as you know, forking into two entirely different things.

SoL

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Memrise, to my knowledge, are not attempting to develop their webpage but rather seem to be discontinuing the site in favour of the app.

SoL

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yeah I already got that hint some time ago, but I was being optimistic :frowning:

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I keep reading this, but I see nothing to back it up. Since they changed how comma’s work, this place thinks it’s EOL. If they wanted to end the website (which is stupid because they have a lot of website users, and depend on them to make content), they would just simply pull the plug.

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  • When I answer I want to make a conscious decision what my definitive answer will be and not be cut short in my thought process by automatic acception. Also I would like to type complete answers.
  • With that keyboard the only thing I’ll be learning now is to solve anagrams real quickly. Or I’ll have to develop incredible eye control but those capitals are really hard to not see.

There also flaws. I just had the clock go missing on the first course I was reviewing.
Also when reviewing a course the keyboard is not appearing for some words in the test.

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On the app, it is possible to turn off Auto Detect. Will it be also possible on the web?

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Auto accepting the correct answer is okay, but the thing is that sometimes, like the app used to for me, it will interrupt a longer answer i’m typing out and accept the shorter answer. Sometimes I like to type out the longer answer because i’m solidifying a different aspect of its definition in my head.

As for the keyboard, I really think devs owe an explanation at your overall plan. Many do not use the app because it is just not what is needed for a certain style of learning. Ben Whately made comments a year ago about 2 directions, an app to maintain the massive audience you’ve gained on the app store that is targeted to as many as possible so you get your user base, and second a website which maintains many of the long-time learners who use memrise as their dedicated flashcard system.

Additionally, actually typing in the answer from memory cements part of the memory tied to that word. Sometimes something as simple as a glance at a possible answer jogs a memory and defeats the purpose of the algorithm all together.

Last, @BeaTrisy could you comment further on that “the keyboard property is now deprecated and will be removed in the next few days” ??

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Is it possible to turn of the hints below the answer box and to disable the automatic submission? My IME for Japanese isn’t finished when Memrise accepts the answer, so the answer to the previous question is already typed in for the next question, which is really irritating. I have been a member of Memrise for 2 years now, but I think I will end my subscription if this is not resolved, because it has become nearly unusable this way.

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PLEASE make the auto accept optional by user preference. When I’m learning I want to take a moment to focus on the word I just typed to fix it in memory. I understand you’re trying to make the process more streamlined, but this is a feature that can either help or harm a person’s learning.

Also, as the concensus shows, displaying the letters under the typing field undermines the learning process.

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If the keyboard hints stay this way with no option to turn them off - well, I’m sorry to say I’ll have to leave Memrise in favour of Anki; luckily I made my databases compatible with both platforms, hoping for the best - fearing for the worst (the latter of which seems to have come true - for me at least - just now).

When I am lazy or tired I use the Android app knowing full well that the given hints make it far too easy. But I keep going back to the web version when I REALLY want to learn.

Therefore I’ll wait for improvements / options for a few weeks, but after that I’ll have to cancel pro (which I only bought to support the site, I don’t really need the features).

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This is the worst update I have seen in my entire life ever. I am so enraged I had to make a forum account. Both the reduced keyboard and the automatic acceptance of the correct answers are crap. How can you even make a mistake now? And if you don’t make a mistake how can you learn? The learning process has been murdered.

I am canceling my pro membership and leaving this website. Goodbye memrise. It was fun while it lasted but thankfully there are other language learning websites who don’t give you the answer, but force you to actually learn.

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I am sure a script to hide the virtual keyboard will appear soon (@cooljingle? someone else)

this virtual keyboard ruins anything even remotely related to learning

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Hi all,

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond and share your opinions.
We’re looking into all the feedback and we’ll keep you posted on future updates.

Thank you

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Hi there. There must be a disable button for this feature. It renders the site nearly unusable without it. Can you please let folks know when this will be remedied? A simple check box somewhere in settings should do the trick. Please fix!

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I switched from the Android app to using Memrise on my computer. One of the reasons was that I didn’t see how I could learn anything when the app almost give me the answer to typing tests (the other reason being that even if I successfully downloaded the courses, I only have access to the sound files if I’m connected to the wifi, so it’s useless). And now it’s the same on the website?! Please, give us the option to turn it off, on both the website and the apps. I don’t think it would be complicated to implement and it would be woth it if people start to leave because of this update…
Edit: I found a solution for half of the problem. On Firefox with the add-on « Element Hiding Helper for Adblock Plus », I can hide any element of a website. I hid the keyboard by hiding the element called: memrise.com##.keyboard.clearfix

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The auto accept is great!!! It helps me avoid typos.
I used to have it as userscript and missed it a great deal the last few weeks.
With a virtual keyboard it’s too easy to cheat oneself and for sincere learners it is not helpful.

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Just fyi tips:

If you have cooljingle’s all typing on, auto-accept will not work (so you can toggle this feature). EDIT: NOPE. APPEARS THIS ONLY WORKS IF THE ANSWER HAS MULTIPLE OPTIONS.

I do think this algorithm is a poor change. Say you think the answer is Four, but you think the spelling is fourr. The answer would already be accepted, and you wouldn’t be dinged for being wrong. Additionally, if you do get an answer wrong, and you don’t have all typing enabled, you will only get the missed word ONCE, and that as a multiple choice option. From experience, I can’t see this being useful for long-term memory.

I’m inclined to think that Memrise is going the way of ease vs. utility. If an average user can get through more words for review, he/she may think he’s being productive. Also, as a beginner on the site, one may be over zealous in learning words, then overwhelmed when review comes up. These two changes – auto-answers and the hint keyboard – merely facilitate swift, analgesic review sessions. Certainly appears we’re going the way of the layman, casual learner who want to proclaim he/she is “fluent” in languages vs. those serious, disciplined users who know “fluency” is never a thing.

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Shockingly awful.

first the auo accept is a terrible idea. If I type a word wrong, now I can see that memrise hasn’t accepted it, know that it’s wrong, and the system is tempting me to take a second bite at the cherry and try another ‘guess’. No NO NO, I got that word wrong, I need to press a button when I think I have the word and let the system see if it’s right. Auto accept on correct is just plain stupid.

The second change is even worse, please revert both these changes, or at least let people who want to really learn have an option to turn them off. The typing tests were the only good thing about memrise, picking stuff from a list a a terrible way to learn, but a great way for people to feel good about themselves as they pretend to learn.

No those are in the same ‘junk learning’ pile as your multiple choice questions.

At least let those of us who are serious about learning have an option to turn this stuff off, if the mobile uses who think they’re learning a language by picking ‘dog’ out of a list of 4 words want this then to be honest I don;t care, but I certainly don’t.

To think I paid for a year and supported you guys.

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