Important Update: Upcoming changes to Memrise community-created courses

Just in reply to this earlier question from @DW7 - yes contributors will be transferred to Decks along with their courses and will automatically have the same editing and maintenance rights

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Kevin is an absolute STAR! He has - to my knowledge - never once lost his cool or become snarky or mean, but has always responded to the posts he has answered in a cool and objective way - “saklig” or “sachlich”, as the Swedes or Germans would respectively say - and I really really admire him for that.

It cannot have been easy to be in his shoes the last couple of weeks.

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Yes, Kevin is good. I’m glad someone from Memrise took responsibility for us content users/creators.

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Continuing the discussion from Important Update: Upcoming changes to Memrise community-created courses:

I’m currently learning Russian and I’m on course 6 of the 7 offered by Memrise. So if I understand this change, after I finish course 7 there’s no point for me to renew my subscription (which conveniently expire in April). Like so many other people have commented before, no offline mode for Deck is a complete deal breaker for me (I pay the pro subscription exclusively for the offline mode). Guess I just saved a couple of bucks. Thanks.

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Would it be possible for you to let us know when this will be totally rolled out, and how long you expect the beta period to be? I have to say it has been extremely frustrating to have a big change dropped without even an actual date for the changes other than “mid-March.” As you can see on the forums, many of us have spent time saving and archiving our courses as a preventive measure. I would really like to know how long my stuff is going to remain on memrise.com. A few days? Six months? Will my mems transfer over? What if I made them for an official course? What about the course forums? Will they still be here on community.memrise.com or will there be a set of course forums for Decks? Thank you for your help.

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As far as I understand it, as from midmarch, memrise will split up into two different entities: the official memrise courses will remain on the app, but won’t be on Decks, the continuation of the memrise website. Decks will contain only community courses and - if all goes well - it should work the same way as the website does now for our courses. So, as from mid-March, you won’t find any of your courses on the app.

That is a good question! As far as I understand it, the mems you made for community courses will transfer over. The mems you made for official courses are only visible to you anyway, and I would imagine they will still be on the app when you log in with your log-in details.

I will try to find the thread where I asked about the forums as @kevin5284 has already answered these questions on that thread. Here it is:

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My 2c for what they are worth.

I am a high school language teacher and every year I sign up 200+ of my own students to Memrise. Under 3 different accounts since 2013 I have created over 100 courses and introduced Memrise to the two schools I have worked in and sung it’s praises at every state and national language conference I have presented at - last year for example that was on 5 different occasions to audiences of up to 150. I have promoted Memrise on Facebook groups and other online forums and to say that I am disappointed in the latest decisions is an understatement.

The almost complete lack of updates to the course creation functionality over the years has been frustrating, but at the same time it worked well enough to live with and given it’s a free service I was ok with that. I have had a pro account since 2014 although I barely use Memrise myself because I wanted to support the site as it provided such a valuable resource for my students. Being able to have unlisted courses has been fantastic as I’ve been able to keep courses just for use by my own students and track their progress easily (before groups existed!), and I was there when groups were created and under another account have group numbers in the 20s as I was so quick to make use of the feature.

Now I have signed up a new cohort of 200 students just 6 weeks ago and suddenly I find the world is about to change. I did not receive any email about the changes to this account and this is the one I have pro on. I can understand the diverging paths of official vs community courses, and th desire to separate them out. What I DON’T accept is the lack of an app for Decks, my students simply will not use the website or mobile site version, and there goes over 5 years of carefully curated courses and learning methods tied directly to Memrise. It was a shame when offline mode became a paid feature but we coped with that. No app at all? We will have to move to another platform because it just won’t work and we will go from kids being excited to do their homework to frustrated and annoyed.

I agree completely with what other users have almost unanimously said about the value of community language courses - I wouldn’t touch an official Memrise course with a ten foot pole simply because the level of language proficiency I am at/wanting to maintain or develop is far beyond the introductory courses on offer. I purchased pro and have kept it for all this time even though I don’t use it because I wanted to support the features I did use and value highly BUT going forward what is the point? All the courses I would have studied won’t be on Memrise and no features will help me on the basic Decks model.

In short, there needs to be an App for Decks, and a reason for those with Pro membership who don’t use official Memrise courses to KEEP that membership. Have you run that data?

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Mobile friendly website worries me, due to the nature of the courses and the fact that I want the tactile feedback from typing I do all my memrising on computers. I can only hope that mobile friendly includes “also usable on computers”

I have already been starting to dislike memrise more and more and I really only use it at this point because there is no better alternative for the precise learning experience I want. Please don’t alienate your users even further.

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I am really surprised about that. It doesn’t look like that You know about that at all.

You know, not only it fills the gap for more advanced users… it also fills the gap of complementary use cases … so it was lovely to combine Memrise created course with some vocabulary focused one (I learn many languages in order to understand, not in orders to chat).

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It depends on signal. App is much mire smooth on irregular signal … website just loads and loads and loads and when it is almost liaded it snaps - telling me, weeell snap! there is no signal, try later. It is infuriating. I can sometimes use webbased learning, but I cannot depend on it.

The inability to test myself in time, every day - breaks down the streaks and takes away the gamification-> challenging yourself to fulfill the commitment every day.

(I often happen to do so, just minutes before midnight… heck! Even just seconds before the midnight :laughing:) I need it to work smoothly well :-))

Moreover… I sometimes prefer it to have the full keyboard

But most of the time it is too messy on the small screen of mobile.

Especially with foreign languages with special characters- I unable to type them swiftly- and it bores me to death (looking like a mole on keyboard trying to find the character I need)

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Wifi on the train? You really are lucky :disappointed_relieved:

(In theory in many trains in my country there is wify as well - but the quality of signal is exactly the same as the quality of signal of my telephone provider - sketchy, irregular and on the majority of the travel - not sufficient for loading) … that is while going outside the city.

Moreover I prefer to learn everyday, while commting inside the city. There is plenty of signal while on tram or bus… however the most substantial part of the travel is done underground through “metro” system. No signal at all (except maybe three stations)

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I’ve never even heard of wifi on trains. They don’t exist where I live.

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Thought I’d quickly update this giant thread about our meeting with Memrise tonight.

It was around 90 mins long and I assure you the attendees reiterated very clearly the main points that the forum has highlighted re: Decks - ie offline, app and paying for it.

Obviously I’d like to say that the sheer intellectual force of our arguments caused an immediate volte-face from Memrise but that wouldn’t be true.

I can say that Ed, Kevin, Mario and the rest of the team were very receptive to and patient with our comments on a variety of topics which I honestly think fully reflected the multitude of points raised over the last few weeks on this thread.

Memrise can obviously speak for themselves but my personal feeling was that they would now consider all possible business cases that would make the app/offline/payment models viable.

We saw a pretty complete demo of Decks and looks very similar to current Memrise website. Anyone who is using community courses online via website at the moment will see very little difference.

I appreciate that there will be people on the thread who won’t be happy unless I could report that things will stay precisely as they are (or go back to previous versions of the product) but I think the majority would be both happy on how they have been represented and how receptive Memrise were to our points.

Thanks to the Memrise team for taking the time to host us.

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I hope they just develop an app for Decks when it launches. Seriously, if it doesn’t happen, I will have to use another service. I study my Russian primarily through the app.

@scmelville Thanks for the recap ! :smile:

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They can’t make an app in one week

I’m sure they can’t. But it would be cool if it was ready at the end of March.

So the only concrete thing we got is that Decks look similar to Memrise.

Yes, I’m sorry that is disappointing but I don’t think there was ever going to be any other update immediately after a meeting that started at 7pm in the evening today.

I can’t predict the future and I don’t work at Memrise so I don’t know what their plans are now. We should at least give them some more time to respond - they may well say they have considered all the business cases and our comments and there is no change to the plans.

I would be disappointed in that case as well but I just wanted to send my personal thoughts as someone at the meeting to the forum as soon as I could.

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I am not sure what the meaning of this is - in reply to my post. Race?

I am trying, however: knowing a language means being able to speak, read, hear in real time - it does not mean asking everytime for 10 minutes break so one can 1. remember the right words and 2. think how to “join” them. The timer is there to give one an idea about the real life immediateness…

well, Decks is coming soon, I am curious how many of us will find it really usable. With userscripts or not… I keep my fingers crossed for all those who are still hoping for a happy end.

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