Important Update: Upcoming changes to Memrise community-created courses

In this case almost everyone will be using this new “community” app and there will be almost no paid subscriptions.

Don’t you see that this is a financial decision, to push users to pay-or-leave decision. And all this “community vs memrise” or “forever free” Deck is a complete nonsense. They could just fork the current memrise app, point to Deck and state that it will work as it is without new features or fixes. They could leave “premium” offline options as it is.

But no, the main decision was to make the community courses as inconvenient as possible to push people to official courses and subscription.

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Hi, Kevin.
Could you please elaborate on this decision from a business point of view. How are you going to entice people who only study user made courses to subscribe to your memrise app? How are you, as a company, going to benefit from a large portion of community moving to the other site which is free?

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So what about your members who did paid for the offline mode?

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Hi @kevin5284,
did your team consider the case where people with an unsteady connection will be using your new
“Decks” website?
I personally always learn when traveling by train and bus.
This would mean that I will not be able to use this platform at all …

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It’s not even a pay-or-leave decision. It’s like a leave-if-you-can’t-adapt situation, since my needs are all beyond the official courses’ capacity.

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I believe there will be no official answer.

But I can guess that they want to change a business model. Possible in a very drastic way. Lessen numbers of users but increase ARPU. Recently they hired a person behind the excellent “readlang” - possibly they will be expanding their model to include this studying from texts (like lingq, say). Maybe they will try to move the Rosetta Stone way with pricier courses but with live interaction. May be just the per-course-per-year payment.

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Yes, on the second thought you are right. It is “pay-or-leave” for novice learners, but “adapt-or-die” (Adam Smith IIRC?) for advanced ones.

Yet there are official courses (of less popular languages) full of mistakes… they better improve their courses first… Seriously came across of a litteral translation of ‘such a thing’ with memrise telling the literal translation is: Suck something… After 2 years after reporting still not fixed… gues they are telling me to go suck something…

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I don’t get the business decision. There will be no reason to pay for Pro if access to Decks really will be free, and Pro doesn’t offer any benefits, for those users who only use community courses.
How can this be in the interest of memrise?

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@kevin5284 , will you reply to any of our concerns, or only continue to answer easy questions? Everything you’ve replied so far is something that was already mostly covered in your original post. Will you reply to other people at all?
If you will not be addressing our concerns today, when can we expect answers regarding things such as refunds for premium?

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Same here. I only use this app to study for N1. I will still use decks until I pass the test, but I certainly won’t pay for it, nor can I really recommend it to anyone else like this app was originally recommended to me.

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I’m wondering this as well. Being able to type responses is invaluable, especially if you are studying a language that uses a different script and/or keyboard layout.

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I just paid for an annual subscription just over 30 days ago.

I think this is manipulation that you’d accept this payment knowing full well of your plans to migrate the service to Decks, whilst severely reducing the features you advertised that I would receive.

Very poor business ethics.

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Well they said everything would be the same, does that mean that course structure, database structure, course creation, and learning/reviewing will all be done in the exact way as it is here? What about audio reviews for courses that support it and difficult words, which should work regardless of the course? These are important things to know for those of us forced to leave Memrise altogether.

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And I though Ziggy was bad. Today Memrise died.

I’ll unsubscribe. I’m really sad, though. I use Memrise since 2015, pay since 2016. I’m rather sure that there wont be any Greek, Ancient Greek or Latin courses in the Memrise App from the Ides of March (how fitting).

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Absolutely floored by this decision. No app? I have no confidence in a “mobile-friendly” website working as it should and I have never once used memrise on a pc to learn. Every single one of my courses is community-created and I have zero confidence my course progress is going to carry over smoothly. I’m actually anticipating it will all be lost.

I haven’t come across any other language-learning app that suits my needs as memrise had, so it looks like I’m going to have to jump ship with nowhere to land on my feet. What wonderful news.

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Hey, what a shitstorm you brought in here, just take a look… :slight_smile:

Are you sure there is no other way around, but only to create this language ghetto for all the freaks and leave them without what they really need? Like, I don’t know, to listen carefully to them freaks and spoil them with some useful learning features in the app and then gradually raise your fee to sustain a business model? Though surely it will look as an extortion right now.

Because for the moment it seems like many folks (and me too) are very disappointed with your move and going to leave your site completely causing some major losses in the meantime.

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Ah Leave him alone, this is a great opportunity for another developer to come along and give people what they want, in a few years memrise will just be another forgotten website like myspace,altavista,Digg,etc… And a new better improved site from someone else will take over. (of course it sucks in the meantime while there is a void)

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Saw the e-mail on my phone. Immedately head to forums (never post usually) and see exactly what I expect.

Now, rather than just echo everyone, even though I 100% agree, lets consider some things.

  • Memrise will think: Okay, let just post it. Send the e-mails, post to the forum. Yeah we will get some negativity, you always do, but it will all blow over.

Guarentee that is is the mentaltity of at least some of the Memrise staff/execs. I seldom see businesses actually listen to their user base. The ones that do don’t make these kind of bad decicions in the first place and so don’t end up in the position where they need to listen to the desperate outcry of their userbase. It’s probably all too late.

  • Keven is probably just here for clear up

There’s not much point asking the poor guy for the strategic basis of the decicion. He probably has an initative to only answer questions about the transition to decks and how decks will work.

  • A ‘mobile friendly’ website for decks

There is rarely such a thing. I work in the technology industry and I think we all know as well that even some of the biggest and best tech companies struggle to make a ‘mobile friendly’ website thrive. The technology meta has been about easy to use ‘apps’ for a long time now, cmon’, we’re not stupid. Memrise just have no interest in developing one. For what reason I do not know.

  • Decks is either an attempt to compete with Anki, or just a waste bin

If it’s the former, good luck with that. Serious Anki users are usually the technical type and will expect some serious stuff and are not likely to move across. If its just a waste bin because you want to purge, that makes sense. Sadly.

  • Who on earth is your target audience?

I don’t understand who you are competing with. We know there are the likes of DuoLingo but frankly you need a unique selling point and there is no logical reason I can think of that you should get rid of community driven courses. It only serves to better the learners experience. I can only imagine its legal issues or some other technical incompitency on your part that has led to this move. Either way you shoudl work on a solution, rather than just dishonour your users and devalue the experience they came for in the first place.

  • and therein lies the crux of the issue - do you even care about the learning experience?

Companies who want to thrive usually follow in the footsteps of Apple, Dyson, South West Airlines: the user experience and custoemr service is above all. You’re simply demonstrating the opposite and its painful.

I am so sorry to be so negative to the Memrise staff. I really love this app. As others have also said, I have a pro subscription to support the app and I don’t mind paying it whilst it fits my needs. I would even be willing to pay a bit more in return for improvements and more offical content. However - your own courses are OK and I enjoy them, but by removing these extra features and courses, you are removing the value that most of us are looking for. Clearly. It’s also pretty awful that some people have paid for lifetime access and you are willing to do something so extreme with little to no research or customer relations.

I am sorry that you are recieving a flurry of savage comments, but the reality is your users are not stupid - we are the kind of people who learn things for a hobby, remember? We are precisely the kind of people who expect logic and rationale behind changes. You’ve not provided any.

Because of all of the above, I can only concldue that Memrise has a strategy that has nothing to do with the users needs, they probably want to do a massive rebrand, compete with someone, or just have some money troubles. They can’t be this naive to not realise they will lose ton’s of subscriptions, so I can only think that they simply don’t care.

I welcome any feedback from Memrise themselves. Thank you for the service you have delivered in previous years, either way.

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They are trying to play Jobs? Like in “we know what you need and we will force it on you”?

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