Direction of Memrise/Decks

@Sarigne - I too have been a prolific supporter and evangelist for MemRise (for many many years) and have always tried my hardest to create and improve courses as well as assisting users in the many Forums (over the years) as well as sending positive feedback and requests.

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Thanks so much for taking the time to formulate such a well thought-out response! I agree with absolutely everything you say!

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“He who runs after two hares catches neither” , that’s the feeling I’m getting from Memrise. They took the dreaded Duolingo route, where everything has to look silly and cartoony. Unfortunately, for an adult, these things hinder you more than anything. As for their involvement, it looks a lot like minimising the damages to me. Memrise will not go anywhere anytime soon, but Decks just might.

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I absolutely agree with everything you said in your post.

For the Decks app I really hope these following features are included;

  • Ability to upload image memes.
  • Automatic ‘text to speech’ for words that do not have an Audio file (just like tinycards by duolingo.
  • Ability to edit courses directly from mobile devices.

It would be a shame if the Memrise team literally replicates the same features of the main Memrise website. Decks is a community contribution, therefore, these features are essential for the created application.

Please consider Memrise!
Kind regards.

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Well, they said a month ago that they will move the community courses to Decks and keep their courses on Memrise web site so this is as planned.

Kind of happy with the Decks web site and eagerly awaiting for the promised Decks mobile app, the Decks web site looks good, has some small issues but those could be fixed.

So, move over to using quality community courses on Decks.

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Yes thanks @Lodrogyaltsen3 - just found that out through this post:

Official MemRise Courses not available on Decks

Actually I predominantly use Community courses and create and support hundreds :wink:

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Thank you for this post. I am (was?) a new user but 100% agree. And I believe they will lose revenue because of the direction they’re headed; after seeing the new site design I applied for a refund of my annual subscription because it was still within the 30 days. I initially decided to subscribe because the content was good and the site was visually appealing and professional looking, even if navigation was a bit confusing at first and there are some features I could wish for. Then, days after spending the money (which I hadn’t budgeted but was able to scrape up), the entire site changed into a place I cannot imagine myself spending any time and the colour scheme is very unconducive to learning. Even just writing this, the ugly-yellow bar at the top of the screen keeps trying to pull my eyes. Once you’re actually in the lesson the yellow ugliness is not as bad, but I just felt so turned off by the entire redesign. I really liked the content of the Arabic course I was doing and, until/unless I find something better, I will keep checking back now and again to see if things have improved. But I’m not going to pay for a subscription again until they address this terrible mistake.

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hmmm

I don’t want that… i dislike profoundly tts (artificial voces), unless they are tremendously good. About editing from the app, i am not sure what for a number of course creators are really burning for that…

btw mems, memes are something else…

anyhow, sad days, ours (i am thinking more of assange than of memrise decks team being utterly absent lately)

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I have to disagree, Tinycards text to speech is pretty good, I rather have an artificial voice than no audio because at least I am getting some understanding of how the word sounds. For me doing a course without audio results in a lack of motivation.

Statistically it is proven users spend most of their time on mobile devices so having the ability to edit a course directly seems more logical. I hate to keep referring back to Duolingo but since they are a leading competitor you can see they have made it available for users to edit their courses on Tinycards from the app. Memrise might be surprise with the accessibility of users able to create and edit directly from the app, more users might create courses.

Well at least you knew what I meant about Mems, image mems are so much more motivational and associating images with words have been proven to be an effect way of storing the learnt word in the long term memory.

So overall I think these features are at least worth considering, rather than instantly dismissing them.

I could have sworn that I read about someone editing a course from their mobile. But maybe they just accessed their course via their web browser on their mobile phone.

I might just try it on a tiny course I made for myself which nobody else uses.

Hi @amanda-norrsken,

I read it too. The topic is:

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You have an amazing memory and ability to find things!

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It’s crazy that nobody from Memrise replied to any feedback about the new design.

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It’s not a secret that the top priority for Memrise team during the last years was development and promotion of the official courses, growing in numbers instead of growing in quality. Memrise community could disagree on the subject, however this policy works, they are attracting new users/income. Nothing has been improved or fixed on the side of community courses at the same time, even worse, some features were eliminated. It says a lot that there’s still no link to the so called “sister” website on the main Memrise page, either it completely slipped their minds or was done intentionally. Someone could say that Decks are still full of bugs to advertise it, but the same goes now to the main website.

The chief himself said they have no intentions to invest efforts in Decks (“We won’t actively invest in creating new learning features for it”), and the overall impression from his post is that community courses is a sort of a cumbersome burden for them. Decks are doomed to be abandoned as soon as the most annoying bugs will be fixed. That is to say, lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch’entrate. But there’s a silver lining in it, since almost every improvement by Memrise in the last couple of years was a failure. No news is a good news here. All in all, it’s sad, because this website as we knew it is dying.

I don’t know what’s the problem for Memrise team to have an intelligible dialogue with users, most of the answers are superficial, if any, but most likely the reason lies in the fact that users and Memrise managers are looking into completely different directions.

By the way, perhaps cancelled subscriptions by longtime users and their exodus to other platforms is what they really craving for. :slight_smile: One thing less to worry about.

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Hombre…

"I’ve been there, I know this’’ … we know this… we are long term users in this thread… i’ve said something similar (but i hope i did not hurl insults in every line i wrote, like you do) years ago, meanwhile I am older and wiser… learnt not to put all my eggs in one basket.

get out of this I-hate-memrise-because-they-do not-do-what-I-want-and-I’m-telling-it-to-everybody phase and move on… build yourself a set of alternatives and stop relying only on memrise for a good language game. These derniers cris d’amour won’t help

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@Sarigne

Coming in late to this pinned topic. But wish to thank you for your constructive criticism. As well as many other pertinent remarks from many “long term” users on this thread.

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Man, I don’t want to be engaged in this sort of dialogue, but I will answer you just once. So because you are older and wiser and my opinion is too critical I should shut up? I don’t think it’s fair. Instead of using generalizations, you could tell me where I’m wrong about Memrise, if wrong at all. Besides, did I ask you what to do? Then your advices are so unsolicited.

The new Decks is almost unusable. I am a long time Memrise user and have led many students to the site but I will not lead them to Decks. I am not sure about memrise either, although I love it, I think that you are going down the wrong path.

Please rethink your strategy. Yellow does not a language learning site make and it actually looks childish. Thanks for trying to help us learners but you have really screwed up>

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I am also a long time user, I joined memrise in 2011 I believe and found it a wonderful resource which I have recommended to many, many people along the way. I’ve created a number of courses which serve thousands of learners including teachers who promote my courses to their students and I contributed to the start up when memrise was making the video dictionary a few years ago. I flatter myself that I am one of a number of users who helped memrise to take off in the early days and become the platform it is today. I payed to become a premium member from the start just so that I could financially support what I thought was an incredibly valuable platform.

What sets memrise apart from and above other platforms like duolingo and babbel etc is that the courses are simple and user-generated meaning that both advanced and beginners can use memrise to learn and frequently for their very individual set of circumstances. I suppose this will still be the case for Decks, but I am concerned that it does not seem like the Decks website bugs that have been brought up have been addressed. I also worry that the main pull for memrise (that vocabulary and courses are customised) will vanish and that funding for the continuation of the sites will be diminished. Furthermore I worry that all the funding will go into developing the memrise site rather than the Decks site, because the former is the one bringing in the money via premium accounts.

I don’t bother so much about the re-designs which have happened over and over in the time I’ve been on memrise, but what I really miss is how memrise developers used to really engage with and listen to the website’s users.

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Since you’re older and wiser than him you should not use fallacies " build yourself a set of alternatives and stop relying only on Memrise for a good language game." what kind of logic is that?
Hating Memrise for ignoring a part of the fanbase is a valid reason to hate.

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