Just checked and also still wrong in mandarin 1. shen-me shi-hou still requires accents also.
I thought that, before the recent site updates, the meaning of words/phrases came up in English in the top right of the page (on the web version) in ‘listening skills’ the same as in ‘Classic Review’. It does not do that now. Am I correct that it used to?
I feel like "listening skills’ comes up as my next suggested task much more often then ‘Classic Review’, but although I can often type or select the response I don’t know what it means, and trying to look them all up at the end isn’t as efficient for learning the meaning.
Whether or not it was there previously, I think it would be really useful if the meaning of the phrase came up in ‘Listening Skills’ as well.
Here’s an issue I’ve noticed when reviewing:
Both Chinese 1 and 2 have “to walk”, however in Chinese 1 it’s given as “zǒu” while in Chinese 2 it’s “zǒu-lù”. This is confusing because I have to remember which course I’m reviewing in order to get the answer right (for some of types of exercise at least). And if I’m doing combined review there’s no way to tell.
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Hello,
I appear to have lost progress on the course Mandarin Chinese 3.
I had previously completed all levels up to halfway through Level 75, but now it says that I haven’t done any of the 汉字 levels and they are marked only as ready to learn. To be clear, I had learned these levels (the even levels) but now my progress is gone.
I don’t really want to go back through them to finish the course? Is there a way to fix this or at least to mark them as complete?
Regards,
Josh
Hey @JoshTaylor5d53, thanks for your message!
This is related to a fix in the Chinese character levels. More details can be found here: Chinese courses require definitions to be in a specific order.
Unfortunately user progress in character levels would be lost after this fix but you can skip the levels that you don’t want to learn. Also, you can try to ignore items or levels by following the steps here: https://memrise.helpshift.com/a/memrise-learn-a-new-language/?p=web&s=getting-started&f=can-i-ignore-words-or-entire-levels-1556556243
Hope this helps!
Thanks,
Yi
Thanks for this one @amanda-norrsken! I checked in the original thread and this should’ve been fixed!
Thanks,
Yi
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Hi, thanks for getting back to me.
Ok, I´ve ignored those levels now.
In other news, I think I´ve found a few incorrect tone markings in Mandarin 3 (but I’m not 100%), could you check them please?
Level 53:
jie ri, jieri kuaile
Level 73:
jihua
Regards,
Josh
nope, it never did (in the web version)
This is one of the flaws of the “listening skills”; as for the “official” Chinese courses, one has to type deng or shi or si-yue and not si yue or what), or similar - and learns by doing so exaclty … what?
Hi,
Noticed something on the newer version of Chinese 2 at one of the hanzi levels.
Instead of the usual thing of seeing a hanzi and clicking the english word, or seeing the english word and clicking the hanzi… I’m getting some where it gives me audio and has me click the English word… obviously that’s not usually how the hanzi levels go and dosn’t really make any sense. (This was in the android app version.)
((Also it would be super awesome if somehow the hanzi vs other types of levels could be separated into different lessons entirely (i.e Chinese 2 vs Chinese Simplified Hanzi 2 as an example of possible names). My reason for this desire is because my in-laws use Traditional only, so I’m primarily learning Traditional and am not using memrise courses for my hanzi study. So far I’m doing it, but it’d be better to have the option to keep them seperate.
I intended to do simplified at a later date after learning traditional.))
Hi @RainbowMeow, thanks for your post! The Chinese character levels had been missing audios for a long time and we finally uploaded audios for them recently. That’s why you’re prompted with audio tests now.
The problem is that you didn’t learn the pronunciation before (because there were no audios) so you wouldn’t know what to answer now. I totally understand you but the algorithm is not perfect at dealing with such updates so it’d be best to re-learn the characters, with audios this time since it’s an important element of the language. We fixed a bug recently so it should be much smoother to go through the Chinese character levels now.
Or as you said, if you don’t want to learn characters yet, you can skip the character levels entirely. Regarding the course structure you mentioned - a pinyin course and a character course, that’s something on our list to solve as well so hopefully we can have a better structure for the Chinese courses soon.
Hope this helps!
Best,
Yi
Thanks for flagging @JoshTaylor5d53! @FergusORegan mentioned a few more in this thread and I can confirm they’ve all be corrected. If you log out and log in again you should see the changes implemented. Also as mentioned in the other thread, I’ll be doing a Mandarin 3 course auditing to make sure all tones are marked correctly.
Thanks for your help!
Yi
Thanks for flagging this! We’ve changed the definition of “zǒu-lù” to “to go on foot” to be more specific.
Thanks,
Yi
Actually the problem wasn’t that I didn’t know how to answer them (I did, because memrise isn’t my only source of study. :P) The problem was more that previously the levels seemed intended to teach you the visual hanzi and this was the first time of it doing purely sound (which is a bit odd for a hanzi specific level, since the non-hanzi levels involve sound to english. Rather than this giving me a sound and asking me to click the -hanzi- it was giving me the sound and asking me to click the -English- (which dosn’t make sense in a hanzi level.
However, I note that very recently another new version of Chinese 2 was made, so I’m not sure if the issue I experienced in the above mentioned version (version 2?) exists in the newest Chinese 2 (version 3?).
Hi, suggestion. I know Memrise is based out of London, but obviously users from all over.
" wó xiǎng shàng cè-suǒ - I need to go to the loo " Obviously “loo” is fairly common in speech in the UK, but it’s not something used in some other English speaking countries (def unused where I am atm). It might be best to use a different wording or have an alternate as well. (Like how some have xxx / xxx .)
Btw, the thing I raised in previous posts that you thought was fixed in an update was never fixed, still happens. Shen-me shi-hou requires acute accents to be manually implemented to be accepted.
Hi @Alexroseajr, we added the version without accents to be accepted in Mandarin 1 so it should mark you as correct. By the way, when I tried to learn that item I never got tapping or typing tests, only multiple choices. Would you mind doing a screen recording of that item since we can’t reproduce the issue on our end?
Thanks,
Yi
Just now or in general?
I have a browser extension that forces all answers in all courses to be typed, I don’t learn anything from multiple choice, most of the time you can squint and get the right answer from sentence length. Failing that multiple choice simply teaches me to identify one/two key words rather than actually learning the phrase (or especially the tones). So in the course it would not naturally come up but it does for me.
99% of phrases work fine but shén-me shí-hou requires the accents (which I can do with Alt Gr if I remember it’s being stringent) and shang-ge xing-qi - which I can’t type because it has the i with bar accents on xing and qi that I have no idea how to type on a keyboard without altcodes.
These courses are driving me nuts.
There is no need for the use of “-” yet the courses insist on adding them in the correct place.
So a lot of the time I know the answers but I cannot remember where the courses decided to
put the “-”. And for different words/phrases the rules seem to be different as well.
When inputting responses, the “-” characters should simply be ignored.
Also one of the courses claims “dui le” means “by the way” , I think it should be “that’s right” ?
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Hi @Alexroseajr, I see, that could be a browser extension compatibility issue I guess. We do have the no accent version added in our database as an acceptable answer and we are working as we speak to make the marking rule easier in general when it comes to spaces, hyphens, accents etc. Bear with us!
Thanks,
Yi