[Course Forum] JLPT N2 Vocab by BenWhately

This may not really be what is expected in this forum, but I feel so strongly that I have decided to elaborate on my comment about “real life intervening” and ask for your support for our petition, https://tinyurl.com/norestraintsjapan . My son Kelly Savage died in May while in a psychiatric hospital in Japan.

As has now been widely reported in the media, Kelly’s death happened after he was restrained (strapped immobile to a bed ) for ten days. Doctors who attended to Kelly have said that a likely cause of his fatal cardiac arrest was a blood clot that developed as a result of Deep Vein Thrombosis that developed as a result of the restraint. This is a shocking and unacceptable situation, and it continues to be the case throughout Japan that long term restraint is routinely used. After Kelly’s death we communicated to the hospital, in person and by letter, that we wanted the medical records, an investigation into the death, an apology for the way he was treated and a review of the policy of restraining patients for extended periods. The hospital refused to do any of these, and thus we proceeded to contact the media in order to spotlight the continued use of restraint in Japanese psychiatric hospitals. This has resulted in an explosion of media stories in Japan and around the world and a high profile press conference in Japan. As a result of the pressure, the hospital finally provided some medical records yesterday, and the government promised a review of the psychiatric restraints system. But we need to keep the pressure on to ensure action from the government review.

We ask that you consider signing the petition below, calling for a reform of the hospital policies, and consider asking your colleagues and friends to do so. We think the Japanese system needs to change to keep such tragedies from happening again.

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I’ve shared the petition and story on sites, Mike.

Wishing you the best.

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On level 10 (226-250), 閉会 (へいかい) does not really mean “closure” but “closure of a meeting or event, etc”.

  1. 「集会や会議が終わること」
  1. “closure (of a ceremony, event, meeting, etc.)”

http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/閉会

Thanks. I fixed it.

First of all, thanks for putting up the effort to edit this large database! I have a question about the entry ほんと “truth, reality.” In all of my dictionaries this is spelled ほんとう with an additional う at the end.

Thanks for pointing that out. I fixed it, so now it appears as ほんとう or 本当, if you ever get the chance to finish it with the new method of memorizing accepting your answer as soon as it matches one of the allowed words.

Jisho.org states that ほんと is also possible, the same can be seen at tangorin.com, dictionary.goo.ne.jp and wadoku.de, which also says that this is rather colloquial. So I think it should still be a correct answer, if you type ほんと without the う at the end. Thank you very much!

OK. I changed it back again, and added a new kanji also that is allowed in Jisho. So now you can type either 本と or ほんとう。 But it will probably never let you finish the final う even though that is more common.

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Hello sir. I found a dictionary that contains audio, http://nihongo.monash.edu/cgi-bin/wwwjdic?1C Since bulk adding is not yet possible, I would be willing to be a contributor and add the audios slowly. If possible, it would be very nice if other contributors can do the same, perhaps 5 audio files per day. Thank you very much.

Thanks Jonathan,

I have added you as a contributor. Hopefully somebody else will also help. I have finished the course and don’t have time to add the audio to it yet, but it is great if you and others will do it.

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This is the copyright statement from Jim Breen’s WWWJDIC http://nihongo.monash.edu/wwwjdicinf.html#copyr_tag
I will add a link to the “WWWJDIC: Online Japanese Dictionary Service” in the course description as an acknowledgement that we use it as a source for some of the audios.

I just noticed that the audio were provided by JapanesePod101.com

Before I continue uploading audio files, I would like to ask the other contributors if they will agree that we will add a multimedia level in order to credit the source of the audios.

If this is not ok, any advice on what to do here?
Thanks

I think that’s a good idea.

I’m assuming that the randomness is intentional, since the list has been maintained for a long time, but I’m just curious about your thoughts on sprinkling words of all levels together, and also all themes.

I’m trying to solidify my N2 vocab, and it’s always nice when I come across a word that I’ve legitimately never even seen before, which is why I wanted to start the deck, in between all the パン’s and やる’s and おめでとう’s.

I understand that I can ignore words, and I use that feature liberally, but it makes the progress feel choppy.

I think it was just a choice by the original course creator. There may be other courses that only include the N2 words distinct from the N3 and N4 and N5 words. There is one by Cynic that I am learning called “JLPT N2 readings” that just tests on kanji-kana that only has 1000 words, which are all only from N2. If you’ve learned your other words on Memrise you can use the “bulk ignore” feature to get the course to ignore words you’ve learned in other courses.

Also, when you are out in the real world, you will encounter words from all levels (and words that aren’t in any levels) together and have to deal with them. Problems with synonyms have lessened now with the new way memrise accepts words as soon as they are typed correctly, so sprinkling in easy words isn’t a big problem and should give you a higher score, which is what some people seem to think is the point of the site.

I’m in the real world already, in the sense that I’m in Japan and consume Japanese content regularly. I’m actually preparing for N1 but just wanted to solidify my N2 vocab before moving on to a set I found that is only N1 words, many of which I know as well, but again, I’m just solidifying things.

The points are meaningless to me, so yeah.

I knew I’d be seeing lots of N2 words I already know, but then on top of that it feels like half of the words are from beginners lessons, so it just feels less efficient than it could be.

I guess it’s just not a set that meets my personal needs exactly, although I’m sure there are plenty of people who feel it’s good for what they need.

This topic has come up before the new format changed as well, so there are certainly others who feel as you do. So you might want to have another search to see if there is another course more suited to your needs. Or you might try to make one yourself. It is not actually too hard to make a course. Several times people have asked to have this course duplicated so that they could modify it to their needs, but I haven’t seen the results. If you do find a course you like, please post here so that others who are not satisfied can find it. Including me. I actually stopped working on this course. I finished it, and was trying to keep up my reviews for a while but found that it took too much time.

I recognize this topic has been brought up once before, but I want to stress it again. I think this course really should have a way to test kanji recognition in additional to recall.

Perhaps it’s more of a shortfall with Memrise rather than the course itself (unless there is a user setting I’m missing). I don’t think the levels should be duplicated like they are for the popular N3 vocabulary course, as that doubles the time it takes to complete. Do you know if there is a way (either me or a course admin) to add an option to display the kanji during recognition reviews? I’m concerned that my memory and ability to recognize kanji won’t be solidified when I only have the option to type the characters on recall reviews. Currently the recognition reviews display a sea of hiragana. It’s even worse when reviewing on the mobile app - as when I select the correct hiragana answer it displays the kanji for half a second and then moves on.

I see the link to a Kanji test course created by Lien - but this also is not suitable to the cumbersome process of having to relearn all of the words. I’m at a loss for how I should go about doing this and it remains an incredibly frustrating aspect of Memrise. If anyone has some ideas, please do let me know.

I think we must have a different method of reviewing. I only use Memrise on the computer, not the phone app. When I review this course, it gives me a space to type the word. The Kanji comes up briefly right after I type the Hiragana correctly (or incorrectly). If it is incorrect, that Kanji stays up while I type in the correct Hiragana. I never see a “sea of Hiragana” unless I have missed a word, then I get multiple choices of Hiragana. Before they changed the way all the courses worked, you had to push enter before it would decide that the word was right or wrong. So Monzen and Moonglum painstakingly went through the entire course making all the Kanji as acceptable words, so that people who wanted to test themselves on the Kanji could make it Kanji before they pushed enter. That gave the ability to test themselves on Kanji to some extent. But now all their work is in vain, because as soon as the correct Hiragana is typed, it is accepted before there is time to press enter.

I never use the phone app because I have a hard enough time typing English on my phone, let alone Japanese. And I don’t find multiple choice tests very helpful for learning.

The course I am learning now to revise my Kanji recognition is called JLPT N2 Readings, by Cynic. You have to type in the correct Hiragana when it shows you the Kanji, and then the English meaning comes up briefly when you get it right, and stays up when you get it wrong. It is shorter, only 1500 words, because it only has the harder N2 words in it.

Good luck with your learning!