[Course Forum] From Alpha to Omega by Aratrea

The course, From Alpha to Omega, indicates a course forum in its description, but there is none. I would like to report an error in Lesson 1, where παιδευω is written παιδευο, but have not found a course forum where I can report this error. Could we create a course forum? Is the creator of the course still active? Many thanks, by the way, to the course creator for making such a useful supplement to the textbook.

you’re new in here, aren’t you? once upon a time, each course had its own forum which was linked directly, from and with each and every item of a course, be it in learning or reviewing…

the devs/owners/etc decided that those fora and the direct links ate too much… i don’t know for sure what… (many of us in here still cannot understand such self-damaging measure …)

so, that is an old mention to a vanished forum… try to find the course creator in here (type @ before the nick)…

I see. I couldn’t find the course creator by typing @ and his name. (Although it did mention many other users, so I think I was going about it correctly.) That’s too bad. I don’t know how to get a hold of the course creator.

@aratrea… hm absent…

dear @lien, would you have the kindness to help us in here? contact Aratrea?

Sure thing! I have emailed Aratrea to invite him/her to the conversation. Hopefully they’ll join us here soon.

@rolyata47: Thanks for catching this mistake! I have gone through and corrected that error. Like @Hydroptere mentioned, the courses used to have their own forums, but then they vanished and I wasn’t involved enough in Memrise to know where exactly those forums are gone. =P

I’m glad you’ve been finding the course helpful. Now that I’ve found and am on these new forums, feel free to reach out and tag me about any other typos or problems you find in the course!

@Aratrea Happy to see you on the forums. Sorry that I took 5 days to respond. I’m glad you turned this thread into a course forum. I’ll report any other typos or problems that I encounter in this thread.

@Aratrea Hi again. I have another issue to report. This is actually a problem that occurs in many lessons. The problem is that, when choosing English words to define a Greek word, like the word παρα or ψυχη in lesson 22, there are often multiple English words to choose, and it’s hard (if not impossible) to predict the order.

The definition of ψυχη is “spirit, soul, life” but often I choose “soul” before “spirit” and get it wrong. This becomes more of a problem with verbose definitions. For example, the definition of παρα is “(+ gen) from, from the side of (+ dat) at, at the side of, beside, at the house of (+ acc) to, to the side of, contrary to”. While it’s possible to remember the definition, it’s almost impossible to remember the order in which these words appear.

I’m wondering whether there is a way to alleviate this frustration. I can think of a couple ideas. The first is to create a system for ordering the words in the definition. For example, they could be ordered alphabetically. The second is to break down flashcards which have too many definitions to remember into several flash cards. For example, every case usage of παρα could have its own flash card.

I’m curious to know whether you also have this problem. Look forward to hearing your thoughts.

@rolyata47 Yeah, I wish that the Memrise software wasn’t particular on what order the words are in, as that does make it difficult to memorize multiple definitions for each word. The best solution to this problem would be if that could be changed. I don’t know what the challenges are on that from the technical side of things of Memrise, or if there’s a reason they don’t allow this, but I would certainly add my vote for that to be changed.

I don’t memorize all the definitions for each word (I only memorize the most relevant definition, or the first result), so this isn’t a problem for me personally.

Currently, the word order is determined by the word order in the Alpha to Omega textbook, which has the definitions listed in order of relevancy. The challenge of switching it is twofold. First, if there are other users who have memorized all the definitions by relevancy, switching it now could frustrate those users. Second, switching the word order to be alphabetical will confuse the best meaning of the word, as obscure/fringe meanings are now placed on equal footing as the closest English meanings to the Greek words. As a result, I’d prefer not to reorder them alphabetically.

I like the idea to split up παρα and other similar prepositions into multiple flash cards for each of the different cases. I again have a concern for other users who may not appreciate this kind of a change, but this does make a lot of sense to me since the definitions for the different cases can often be substantially different. I want to think over this some to make sure there aren’t any other unintentional negative side effects, but I’ll look into implementing this within the next month or so.

@Aratrea I see — that explains how you avoid the problem. Thanks.

I have one idea that you might find helpful. Memrise gives an “alts” option when you add flashcards to each lesson. It’s a button on the right-hand side of the input form. So when you add παιδεύω, you can give the answer as “teach, educate” and then add “educate” as an alternate solution. That way, no matter whether the user answers with “teach”, “educate” or “teach, educate”, all will be acceptable.

Thanks for your response. I’m glad you pointed me in the direction of memorizing the first definition, and giving that as my answer. I think this will help me avoid the problem I was having.

@Aratrea One more correction. In lesson twenty-three, I think the relative pronoun, ὄς, ἤ, ὄ, should have rough breathing, i.e. ὅς, ἥ, ὅ.

@rolyata47 Sorry it took me a while to get back to you on this, but thanks for catching that issue! I’ve gone through and fixed that.

Ironically, right after I posted saying that I only memorize the first word for each definition, something happened with Memrise’s software so that it’s now requiring me to give all of the definitions for a word to be marked correct. =P I can’t figure out from other posts on this forum if this a system-wide bug or not. @Lien do you have any knowledge/information on this issue?

@Aratrea No problem! I’ll continue giving quality assurance so long as it doesn’t annoy you. And if it does, feel free to be honest with me.

I found one more mistake, a minor one in Lesson 33. The entry for “small, little, few” (ὀλίγος) seems to have a typo: “ὀλίγοστος, -η, -οω”.

I think this should be “ὀλίγιστος, -η, -ον”.

@rolyata47 As long as you don’t mind the fact that I may tend to take a while to respond and do the changes, that’s more than fine. :slight_smile: I appreciate your good eye! That’s been fixed now.

Dear Aratrea,I am a student from CHINA,studying the From Alpha to Omega,An Introduction to Classical Greek,by myself,on account of lack of relevant teachers there.
After I finish the exercise behind each lesson,I can’t find the answer,which drives me mad.
Could you tell me where I can find the answer of this book?Or can you provide it for me?
I would appreciate it if you could help me!BTW,both the third and the fourth edtion are o:slight_smile:k.