[Course Forum] 5000 words sorted by frequency (strict typing)

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Hello @Tonemdra,

I just started this course, and am assuming that the hyphenated forms of the words are the plurals, with a quotation mark for an umlaut applied in that form.

Correct.

Also, in level 3 ‘der Gott, "er’ has no hyphen - is this significant in some way, or was it just missed?

Thanks for pointing this out. It was indeed an error. It is fixed now.

Although I doubt anyone just starting out in German would begin with this course alone, is there any kind of introduction I need to read/are there any other rules unique to typing for this course I need to look out for? I’m going off my own assumptions here, but it might not be obvious to people just starting, who are less familiar with plural forms.

Besides the plural, there is no other rule. This is not a grammar course. For instance, the inflected forms are not included (e.g. wem and wen are the dative and accusative forms of wer, and do not appear).

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Level 30: färben - to dye, to color; Level 91: sich die Haare färben - to dye the hair # Duplicate im
Level 33: fegen - to sweep (2) → fegen - to sweep (1) # kehren should become “to sweep (2)”
Level 34: anhören - to listen to (2) # zuhören is the second alphabetically so should be “anhören - to listen to (1)” and “zuhören - to listen to (2)”
Level 40: herunterladen # this already exists somewhere
Level 41: selber, selbes, selbe # should be distinguished from derselbe, dasselbe, dieselbe

All fixed.

Level 22: der Deutsche, die Deutschen → Used to be “der Deutsche, -n, -n” which I think is fine and should be reverted to that.

Thanks for pointing this out. I reverted it to der Deutsche, -n. In many dictionaries such words are written as “Deutsche(r) dekl wie Adj”. This is also the case with, Erwachsene(r), Bekannte(r) and Verwandte(r) so far. For all these words I now mention in the definition that the word declines, and ask for the der masculine form. Erwachsene appeared twice, and for consistency I removed the feminine die form from the list.

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Do you plan to put me as a moderator of this course?

Like I said, I will not be changing the course structure. Instead I will just do fixes as I come across them instead of writing them out here.

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Hi @nkltss,

Another change that I can think of is changing expanding the set of allowed answers for certain words that are using brackets to denote different forms, for example: ek(e)lig would have as acceptable answers: ek(e)lig, ekelig, eklig. Currently, if one forgets the brackets, it is wrong even though they got the word right.

This is a very good idea. I have not encountered these words yet.

The most major improvement I can think of is adding new words that were missed at the end of the course (things like common Nomen-Verb-Verbindungen).

Edit: also, what do you think of the idea of merging this course in? Top-Up to 5000 words course (strict typ… - by maxwellontoast - Memrise
If not, we should consider mentioning it in the description for people who have completed the course.

I would prefer to be very cautious about this. The main advantage of the course is that the words are sorted be frequency. I understand that it is not perfect. Like you, I was also looking for the words verb, syllabe, vowel, consonant, and could not find them. Also, the list is a little old, and many very useful words related to the Internet appear to be missing (login, logout, subscribe, …). These words would probably appear in a more recent frequency list.

The only words I add now appear in the other frequency list (no strict typing) so I can insert them at the right position as I compare both lists and fix errors.

Here is my suggestion: whatever words you think are missing and useful, put them in a new course such as “Overflow - 5000 words sorted by frequency (strict typing]”, instead of at the end of the course where they would be out of place. I can then link to it from the main page of the course, and clearly say what is its purpose. BTW, I will certainly follow this course and provide feedback.

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Sure, I will not extend this course but I would like to make fixes. So, will you make a moderator?

Level 46: gemäß - according to (+ dat) (2) → gemäß - according to (+ dat) (1)
mitten

Level 18: mitten - in the middle of (1) → mitten - in the middle of (2)
Level 18: inmitten - in the middle of (2) → inmitten - in the middle of (1)

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Sure, I will not extend this course but I would like to make fixes. So, will you make a moderator?

In this case it is fine for me. Let me know if you see something worth being discussed; I will do likewise.

Level 46: gemäß - according to (+ dat) (2) → gemäß - according to (+ dat) (1)
mitten

I will let you fix that one, since it covers the part of the course I have not yet studied. I have completed the first 40 levels.

Level 18: mitten - in the middle of (1) → mitten - in the middle of (2)
Level 18: inmitten - in the middle of (2) → inmitten - in the middle of (1)

Fixed.

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Fantastic, thank you for such a prompt reply @huguesm!

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I am studying this course from last year, but recently some words has changed and audio of the levels grater than 50 are dropped, is this course going to die?

Can moderator of this course (if any) add pronunciations?

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I am studying this course from last year, but recently some words has changed and audio of the levels grater than 50 are dropped, is this course going to die?

This is inaccurate. Some words have changed because we have corrected a small number of errors and inaccuracies. No audio was dropped. Towards the second half of the course audio was never included in the course.

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Thanx for clarifying. Would you please add pronunciations for the rest of the course !?

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What I did was go to dict.cc whenever I was unsure of a pronounciation. In fact, after the halfway point, I preferred to learn muted because the switching between audio and non-audio was jarring and slowed everything down.

If you have an instinct for how words should sound, I can recommend muting the audio to speed things up.

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What I did was go to dict.cc whenever I was unsure of a pronunciation. In fact, after the halfway point, I preferred to learn muted because the switching between audio and non-audio was jarring and slowed everything down.

I am not agreed with muting audio, because it will negatively affect listening skill, which is more important than vocabulary.

If you have an instinct for how words should sound, I can recommend muting the audio to speed things up.

Having high speed internet connection, delay according to listening audio won’t exceed a couple of seconds in each review session.

Anyway, if you are busy I can fetch pronunciations and send it to you for uploading.

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I also find the audio very useful. The first 47 levels have the audio, with some rare exceptions. If you send me the audio for these forgotten words, I will gladly add it for completeness. Once you learn the first 2400 words your understanding of German pronunciation should be good enough, so I will not add more audio after level 47.

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Fair enough. I definitely found the audio useful in the beginning, but not so much later on because I developed an instinct for the pronounciation. Your mileage may vary.

If you want to improve your listening skills, I can recommend starting audio books like Harry Potter (read by Rufus Beck). It is a story you are probably familiar with, and the writing is intended for younger audiences to understand. I think 50% of the course done is a good minimum before trying out the audio books.

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I copy my message from another course’s forum ([Course Forum] 5000 German Words (Top 87% sorted by frequency) by poncoosh - #346 by AA9b):

Hello, are there any active maintainers here?

I have not found a decent word list for russian speakers and I would like to translate the course into russian for my kids and I wonder if I can get raw data for the course to avoid copypasting from the browser which is rather labour intenstive. Also I do not have audio files. I have no idea how to snatch files from other courses.

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huguesm, thanks anyway. The question is how may I get audio files or may I not?

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The Anki extension in my previous link allows to grab audio as well. I never tried that one.

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Here is a list of most of the words in 5000 German Words: words.tsv - Google Drive
They are not in the same order as in 5000 German Words.

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Yes you can get audio files for each word used in 5000 German Words, but I have not done it for years. Here on my notes on the procedure: This is what I did in Chrome. Turn on developer tools (F12), go to Network tab. Click on the Audio icon in dict.cc to play the clip.
Good Luck

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I migrated the Course Forum to a new location: 5000 words sorted by frequency (strict typing) + extra material