Any idea to learn fast?

[ivorbcn (BlackParis)]

I would like to do like a reopilation of tips and tricks to know how can learn a lenguaje.

Thanks

[Nukemarine (Charles Applin35)]

Watch fun stuff in that language at least two hours a day (without translated subs).

[ivorbcn (BlackParis)]

That’s useful I mean , without subtitles ? How I’ll know what shit they’re talking about ?

[RyouBakura]

The same way a child learns by watching grown ups talk.

[ivorbcn (BlackParis)]

I don’t think that we learned like this way. But anyway I’ll try with subtitles

[Monomatic]

I am very poor at retention so I’ve spent years stupid proofing my studying. I’ve also found that in my case quality is hard but quantity is doable and actually gets me results. I have a few things I do but i’m not sure how they’ll work for anyone else.

First learn things in all directs. for example learn to translate apple into りんご and then りんご back into apple. This seems pretty obvious but I’ve seen a lot of courses here that work through vocabulary in one direction, and while memrise does mix the prompts I’ve found that learning 15 to 20 words in one session then following up a little later on those same words in the opposite direction helps with my retention.

Second, keep a notebook of trouble words or characters that you can crack open and look at if you’re not doing anything. I have a job with tons of down time so I can occasionally drill hard kanji, or practice words and grammar i’m not comfortable with. If you do this a few minutes every so often you start seeing real results. I’ve gone a bit extreme with this but even a little bit can help you clear hurdles. Grammar especially if you have a good vocabulary base can be improved if you write down the rules and practice forming sentences in your head. Best of all you only need to glance at a book for a second so you can keep it from hindering whatever you’re supposed to be doing.

Third physically write things out, especially if you don’t know them very well. For whatever reason there are certain words I cannot retain through memrise. I’ve found that if I write them out I have to actively pay attention to what i’m doing in a way that I sometimes can’t make myself do otherwise. I’ve also found that this can be effective if I do it while splitting my focus, though I don’t know if that works for most other people.

Fourth always have a method to study on hand. My phone has 4 apps that work different areas and require different levels of focus. A notebook can be a pain to carry, but I still like having it.

Short version: Find simple methods of reviewing and know what you don’t know.

Hope that helps.

[ivorbcn (BlackParis)]

Oh man ! Super nice reply. First of all thanks for your collaboration. It’s so complete.

Second. I don’t understand the concept that we should translate a word and then translate back ? It’s what you mean?

[LangAddict (Adrian)]

Of course, watching without subs (only) doesn’t help. What Nuke tried to say is that you need to learn new words -> watch without subs (best listening practice) -> when you encounter a new word put it in your course (I recommend making your course) -> rinse and repeat. The thing with using English subs is that it distracts you from the actual listening practice, that’s why without subs (or at least with subs in your target language) is ideal.

As an example, let’s say you’re learning French and you’ve heard “Je suis d’accord” …good, you know “je” and “suis” , you look up “d’accord” and put it in your French course. Now you have 1. a new word; 2. context in which to identify it. These are called “i+1” (the term is explained by Stephen Krashen, a genius polyglot) sentences and are the holy grail of language learning. The more you learn, the more things you hear become i+1 or i+0 (aka. the languages becomes way easier)

[Monomatic]

For example let’s take apple. Whenever I see the word りんご i immediately know it means apple. When i’m talking in Japanese though, sometimes it takes me a bit to remember how to say apple in Japanese.

If i study in a way that has me translating words from Japanese > English and English > Japanese i tend to make a stronger connection in my head and recall words faster and easier.

[ivorbcn (BlackParis)]

But this is not what memrise do? I mean, memrise teach you a language doing exactly that

[King]

Read these

My 19 tips to learn a language faster.

Learn the new alphabet. If your new language has a different alphabet or even symbols, you should learn that first. Don’t be afraid, alphabets like the Russian one can be learned very fast and it will help you to learn the pronunciation/how to write it correctly/etc. much more! So in the end you will save time. Find a native speaker. You should start writing and talking right away. You will have more fun, you won’t learn mistakes and keep them because someone will correct you and also get…

Different (more fun) ways to learn a new language. - Guide

Hello, I wrote a few new entries on my Tumblr Blog today and thought about sharing the one I think is the most useful. So if you’re tired of learning a language like school taught you (endless boring vocab lists and text sheets, etc.) then I have some ideas for you. Remember: A language is a social tool and you can use it for everything, just like your native language. Examples for different ways of learning a language: write a diary summarise an article about a topic you like …

They are good guides to help, and I had a guide but its gone now… It was on reddit.

So I’ll just summarize how I personally learn.

I Learn words on memrise daily, even if it is only 10 minutes other times maybe it will be about an hour.Its just the point of putting forth some effort each day. or at the least, every other day.

I learn the main words then I move on to conjugations, then finally on to grammar, after about 1,000 words learned I try to read online news articles, at 1,500, I can put together basic sentences but miss a lot of words. at 2,000-3,000 I think I will be able to read decently, by 5,000-7,500 I would say you are mostly fluent. Although a lot of people go by the 10,000 rule for fluency.

To me though, when I can read the news or articles I will then try to listen to the radio or watch an Italian video. If that goes ok, then I will finally try to talk to someone. I would not really try to write anything, instead I would type my own sentences in google translate, that way you can learn how to form sentences before speaking.

And reading is like walking before running, once you can read it will be easier to listen and understand what people are saying because it will string along in a pattern you can better recognize.

So yeah
Step 1-learn words from 1,000 to 3,000
Step 2-Read some online books or news.
Step 3-Watch videos then type in a translator for practice.
Step 4-Attempt to talk to a foreigner that speaks the language you are learning.
Step 5-Continue all the before mentioned steps until you feel comfortable in your language.

Lastly, from what I understand, there will always be more words to learn even in your own native language, as there are close to 1 million words in English alone.
But you only need 10,000-20,000

Most natives have 15,000-30,000 words in their own language.
Writers, or other people who deal with terms like scientists or specialists or teachers, even politicians. May know as many as 30,000-45,000 words. Most people rarely ever know more then 30,000 in a single language even their native one, Just because they do not need to.

AND DON’T GIVE UP!
I quit in 2014, then again in 2016, in 2014 I only learned 150 words, in 2016 only 300.
This year I relearned those three hundred and learned another 1,000 in a single month, from august 25th to September 24th. I’m currently at 1,500 words.

And Its just that you keep going, if I wouldn’t of quit If I would of realized. After a few weeks your brain will eventually learn how to memorize better. I made the mistake of doing to much the first time, start with 10 words a day, then go to 15 next week then 20 the next.

If you slowly build up and keep learning daily. You will eventually be able to memorize 20-40 words daily no problem. And probably learn a thousand words a month. I think I got lucky going to 1,500, with the 300 I already learned, But hey at that rate, you could be reading in three months and speaking in 6 months & fluent within 10. Which isn’t to bad.

Some say you can learn 100 daily, but to me, that is just to much stress and time. I like to keep it under a hour a day, at max I’ll go two hours, just because I’m busy with other things.

Lastly, one other thing that helps me learn a new word is to dissect it.

lapribottiglie is the bottle opener.

I dissect it into lapri — bottig — lie

Or

nice = sempatico — sem — pat — ico

trunk = bagagliaio — ba — gag — lia — io

the clothing = labbigliamento — lab — bi — gli — a — mento

[Matt92HUN]

Join something with text chat in your target language (like a discord server) and try to actually use it. Best if you can find someone fluent in the language to chat with.

[ivorbcn (BlackParis)]

Wow ! Nice support thanks dude

[ivorbcn (BlackParis)]

Yes, I’m trying to get in chats , but still being difficult

[Matt92HUN]

It is, but there’s no better way than actually trying to express your thoughts.

[Oli-M (ML)]

Yeah. Learning a language takes time and effort. Sweat and tears. But just relax. It may be difficult but you have got the foundation for your knowledge of English. Like @Matt92HUN said. Get involved in chats, challenge yourself. Find experimentive ways to teach yourself a language to the best of your ability. You might want to teach yourself a number of words per day at use them casually in a sentence. Or try talking to mates using that language. Or even just try to join a chat group via Discord and go from there. Really doesnt matter how you do it. Just what you would enjoy from it. Like my advice @ivorbcn???
Also try these

• read a (children-)book (with audio)
• talk to yourself
• think in your target language (a fun way is to tell a story about your life while it’s happening like “I went down the road with a stranger always behind me, who could it be? What does he want? It got quite… too quite. I tried to keep calm but was it really a coincidence? All in the middle of nowhere?” I know I’m bad at this but I hope you get what I mean, think of it like reading a book.)
• learn vocabs with pictures, type in the word you want to know and ONLY look for pictures, try to feel the word. If you google for “strawberry” (in your target language and don’t know what it means) look at the pictures, the colours, how could it smell? Make a sentence with the new word. When was the last time you ate it? How was it?
• Write a story/book online or just for yourself.
• Make a mindmap
• Use a topic jar (a jar where you put in notes with different topics on it, you take one every day and write/talk about it)
• use social media to find groups interested in learning a new language or your target language
• translate texts and act like you’re a famous translator who’s the only person on earth who can translate your target language (for example if you’re reading articles about historical stuff, act like you’re the only one who can find out what happened back then and the whole world is counting on you!)
• try to solve random online tests
• listen to a song/audiobook/whatever and write down what you hear
• search for words you want to learn and build up (funny!) sentences with them or even whole stories
• read comics/mangas/etc.
• search for receipts in your target language and pray to god you’re doing it right… if not, well you won’t forget the vocab again. Win-win situation.
• search for language learning groups near your living place and actually meet them (stay safe and check everything before)
• listen to children songs (I still remember the first children song I learned in English lessons… like… 11 years ago in 5th grade) these songs are supposed to stick… cough head shoulders knees and toes knees and toes cough sorry where was I?
• connect with language learners over Skype (useful groups of course like German trying to learn French, Frenchman trying to learn Turkish, Turk trying to learn German)
• write a list (you know… like I do right know so I don’t forget English)

[Oli-M (ML)]

ivorbcn

[ivorbcn (BlackParis)]

I’m scared, who’s him?

[Oli-M (ML)]

i know everything… And ive posted like 20 times in the past 15 mins…

[ivorbcn (BlackParis)]

One of the best ideas, is to listen PODCASTS, its really usefull.