Memrise Release Notes - 13 Dec 2017

I wonder if they asked for advice from their legal advisors before doing that, or if some low-level employee has done it without consulting upper management?

I wonder if they realize that actively editing comments could potentially transform them from a mere “platform” to a “publisher” in the eyes of the law, thereby exposing them to much greater legal liability for everything appearing on their site?

I wonder if they have ever heard of the Streisand Effect, meaning that attempts to censor unflattering opinions wind up calling much greater attention to those very same opinions instead?

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Finally!!!
We see in dashboard how many plants need water.
It will be nicer if we can click it.

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Pure gibberish. Npbody needs to consult the legal team or upper management before deleting posts. You are quite mistaken about their legal responsibilities and your legal rights.

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great, now we see review and difficult numbers again. suggestion: now just make that numbers clickable to get to the appropriate session directly…

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My, my, lurajane, that’s news to me! Please do go and tell the international solicitors at Taylor Wessing, who write:

While we wait for the ECJ’s ruling, this is an uncertain time for businesses who invite UGC. As well as the commercial disadvantage of losing the spirit of allowing everyone to comment, the legal disadvantage of moderating is that the website owner is then in the position of a conventional editor or publisher. If unlawful material is posted onto the website, the website operator will then almost certainly not be able to rely on the safe harbour defences.

From a legal point of view, a decision to moderate “lightly” is the worst of all worlds. The safe harbour defences are unlikely to apply and yet the website operator may be held responsible for the UGC over which it has no real control. If effective procedures are put in place to remove illegal content as soon as it comes to the website owner’s attention, the decision not to moderate will often be the better option.

I’m sure that the solicitors there with decades of experience will be most grateful to you for schooling them on the law.

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But those solicitors you quote are discussing a company’s potential liability for hosting copyright violations. And so Memrise does have “effective procedures… in place to remove illegal content as soon as it comes to the website owner’s attention.” For example, Memrise removes courses quickly whenever a rights-owner alleges that a course violates their copyright. The solicitors’ point is that if Memrise started deciding on their own to remove some courses for copyright violations, they would have a harder time defending against copyright infringement accusations.

But sure, threaten Memrise that the ECJ is going to punish Memrise for pulling your posts. Yeah.

NOTE: I am not making any comment as to whether/when Memrise “should” delete posts. I received an odd personal message from someone who seemed rather confused about that. My post above was soley in reference to the claim that moderators should ask a supervisor before moderating.

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Nope. You’re wrong again, lurajane. It isn’t just a question of copyright infringement at all, but applies to all legal liabilities that may arise from selecting, editing, keeping or deleting user generated content (UGC).

My point was that the more control Memrise exercises over the content of any of its services, including picking and choosing which posts remain on this forum, the more it assumes liability for that content and those posts.

When it removes some posts and allows others to remain, then it is no longer acting as a passive web host that merely reproduces user generated content without editorial control. It thus is liable to lose its safe harbor protections as a host, and be considered a publisher of any potentially harmful content hosted on its site.

Despite your ridiculous twisting of my words, I was not implying that the ECJ would punish them for removing my post(s), but rather that them doing so makes them more of an editor and publisher in the eyes of the law, and thus liable for damages to third parties

The European Court of Human Rights has in fact already ruled on this very matter, stating that because a newspaper removed some user comments, and exercised substantial control over the comment section of the articles appearing on its site, then it was the legal publisher of unlawful comments, and thus liable for damages to third parties, rather than the readers who actually wrote the comments.

In the case of Delfi v. Estonia, the ECHR:

The ECHR stated that because Delfi exercised a substantive degree of control over the comments published, and, enjoyed click-based advertising, integrated in the article (i.e. Delfi had a financial interest in encouraging users to comment), Delfi went beyond being a passive and purely technical service provider. The ECHR stressed that Delfi should have known that the article in question would attract the type of comments that it did which the ECHR described as being “manifestly unlawful” and “amounting to hate speech”. Perhaps most crucially, the ECHR ruled that the measures implemented by Delfi to prevent publication of the unlawful content were inadequate and that Delfi’s “notice-and-take-down” system was not sufficiently robust to protect it from liability. Finally, somewhat controversially, the ECHR also considered that due to Delfi’s substantive resources, and the fact that those making the comments were anonymous, it was proportionate for “L” to seek compensation from Delfi rather than those making the offensive comments.

So, it seems to me that the ECHR agrees with me, and that my post was not “gibberish” at all, as you so ignorantly and scornfully claimed.

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wow, thank you so much! I had no idea that such plugin existed :slight_smile:

Heya! Was about to jump on here and say that we’ve added markers for the review and difficult words. We were debating over whether to make them clickable, but ultimately decided against it, purely because items can be reviewed in a number of ways (speed review, classic review, listening skills etc). We’ll keep trying to make the UX better though, so we’ll have another look at this in the future!

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Moinsen!
Have you ever heart about “click and run”? (mmh, or was it “hit an run”?).
There is plenty of unused space in the lower part of each course box.
Use it!
Add a full list of possible and impossilbe actions there. The ones that are available, make them clickable, the others gray simply out. Like the more-button.

BTW: To hide buttons behind a button is not a clever idea. Ages ago, someone invented a far better tool for this purpose: Drop down menues!

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Definitely make them clickable (as classic review).

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Hi linkf1! Your Forum pic had me foxed. I couldn’t work out why I didn’t recognise you. Going thru my list of followers and looking at names instead of pics I found you, duh@me. I’ve not been on Memrise much lately but I’ll give you a run for your money next year. :D. Hope you have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year. Fronika

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Hi @lurkmoophy

nice that you jump into this thread!

Honestly I just need this single “Classic review” button, which will force me:

  • to review by fully typing in the target language (good!)
  • with turned OFF multiple-choice (script power!)
  • turned OFF listening exercises

Seriously, I have no plans to give myself “false positives” with e.g the “speed review” button, which will bring my backlog queue down to zero, but afterwards I know almost nothing and words will just have passed to the next SR interval, even I would not really be able to RECALL them by typing - of course in my L2 target language.

“Playing around” is nice if the backlog queue is 0, or as a workaround “addon”, if you really find - e.g after illness / vacation - no time to regularly (daily, weekly) review by the classic typing view.

But in no way I want those other buttons to “corrupt” my filled backlog queue and prevent me to regulary review it afterwards.

Having a new Memrise system FORCE me to use those “other alternative/parallel review (Pro) buttons” and corrupt everything, is not a very nice thing to do, don’t you think?
Or where are the user settings if those button shall modify the backlog queue or not?

I already know: Every Memrise user has “his/her” own review concept, and noone does / wants the same.

Please give the “customization power” back to where it IMHO belongs: To the users!

We’ll keep trying to make the UX better though, so we’ll have another look at this in the future!

  • Ehm, are you maybe using the Memrise web portal for yourself to learn Romance languages?
  • Who of your team uses your own product?

The old UX with the blue button on the right was (already much) better than this mobile app.

Sorry, but how many Memrise web users need to tell this you as a “product manager”?

I guess I have to live with it just being able to click on the classic “review button” in the group URL…
Unfortunately the group course list is missing the daily streaks (if I have already managed to reach my goal or this is was pending for the day).

I also like the manual ordering options better on the group list, after I tested it for myself.

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Sounds great! I want that hard-to-beat Fronika back. I will be waiting for the challenge, then!

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Markers are a welcome change, obviously. However, the final result is still worse than it was before, so this is some door-in-the-face technique.

And, yes, it would be better if markers were made clickable.

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That must have been a weird debate, since there is absolutely no reason to not make those clickable. You will have to trust that your users are mature and smart enough to figure out on their own which type of review is most useful to them.

Please, for the sake of my sanity, make those buttons clickable.

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The blue icons of a watering can with a number next to them are an improvement on having to click on each course to see if any words need reviewing. Still takes two clicks when it used to take one. I liked it better when I only needed one click.

The speed review doesn’t work for me. Here’s why. Many words in my target language have the same clue in English and vice versa. For example, there are two words (maybe more) in Portuguese for bed - “leito” and “cama.” To be able to answer correctly, I have to give myself a clue. In this particular case, my clue is “um _____ de rosas.” I have to know that “leito” fits in this sentence. I put the clues in the attributes column but I don’t see them in speed review.

Then there are words like “destino” which could be “destiny” or “destination” in English. I have two flashcards destino/destination and destino/destiny. If I see the side that says “destino” it’s impossible to know whether the other side says “destiny” or “destination.”

Once you get beyond 1500 words or so, there are more and more words where it’s impossible to know what’s on the other side of the flash card without additional information.

So I get a word wrong. What’s the big deal? I have 6000 plus flashcards. Multiply that “wrong answer” by ten per speed review session and before you know it I have to review an additional 100 words per day. But they’re words I really already knew. Defeats the purpose of spaced repetition. That’s why I don’t use speed review.

Gamifying memorization might get more users for Memrise, but it irritates people like me who are trying to learn thousands of words in a new language. Maybe splitting up your website into somehting like “Memrise Games” and “Memrise Flashcards” would work for you.

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I put this kind of information directly into the definition for words which are near synonyms.

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Well, my way may not be the best way, but it’s a way that works for me.

If I change thousands of flashcards so they work with speed review, Memrise may change something else. And then I’ll have to change more thousands of flashcards.

There are other flashcard programs that are more flexible and the solution to all the “improvements” for me is to learn to use a different flashcard program.

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I wish you the best of luck with your new projects!

I don’t think it is a given, though, that other apps and language-learning sites won’t implement any changes, though, so I am currently sticking with memrise, along the lines of “better the devil you know” :smiley:

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