Important Update: Upcoming changes to Memrise community-created courses

Don’t tell me that Memrise is going to transfer all the Community Created Courses to a 3rd party platform dedicated to building patios :wink: Codswallop!

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Yep, they will do. That for creating communities that support a company.

I place my bet that they are not moving to decks.com and that they do not own the domain nor that site.

so there

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Interesting, deck.com and decks.com both have been taken (redirection). Maybe UK site? I don’t know their story about the URL…

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Maybe on that site those are the first courses moved and Memrise started with courses about building patios? :stuck_out_tongue:

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@kevin5284 please show this post to your boss/ed cooke A Win-Win Proposal: you keep your revenue, we keep our mobile app, and you get agility

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To be objective, I would not call Memrise courses rudimentary. They are awesome. Full audio, well tested, extra fun with locals, speed review etc. I’d pay for them.

But there is a big but. It’s 7 courses for major languages. About 3,000 entities. It is mastered in 1 year. Most people learn only one language. And I really see no point to pay for membership after that.

After official courses many people create their private ones or use shared by others. Or learn geography, art, whatever. And this group will bring no money to memrise now. Yes, perfecting basic courses memrise will attract more new users. But how to keep them?

I may miss something, but as I see it, language learning market niche is very competitive. New players can always appear. No one can predict what new users will choose in 2, in 5 years. Relying on attracting new users only is not reliable. Old users, even if there are not so many of them, are more predictable. No one would change the learning platform without a good reason.

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How do you want to avoid unsubscribing by pro-members? We are intelligent and it’s obvious that learning ONLY via phone gives you an illusion of competence in learning. I appreciate Your work a lot but Memrise courses are on around A2 level…

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I’ve been a memrise user from when the app was fairly new and when offline mode didn’t require a paid subscription. I have recommended this app to many of my friends because it’s community courses, simple app design and offline mode made studying for 5 minutes easier than any other app.

Migrating to Decks I can live with, no offline mode I cannot. Given the large amount of feedback here, I’d be surprised if offline mode wasn’t announced for Decks in the near future, but if it’s going to require my getting a subscription when I’ve been grandfathered into not needing one with the original memrise app, I’ll be disappointed as this is a step towards alienating your oldest users.

Ditto on all the comments for if indeed user courses won’t be accessible from an app anymore and only via mobile browser. Saving data and not needing to deal with unreliable or inconsistent internet with offline mode has been useful for when I was in China and even more so now. I fly 5-6 different airlines for work travel and don’t have status on them all to get free wifi on each of them. This app is how I fill about 90% of my time on flights as it’s general learning mechanics and style is engaging and helpful. Offline mode coupled with airplane mode have also helped me use this app for several hours without much battery drain, a massive plus. No offline mode will cause me to have to look elsewhere for my studying needs. Please fix this development strategy as I love your app over all the others by far.

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I don’t know how much point there is adding my voice to the chorus—the extent of your miscalculation should already be clear. While the official courses are cute, and no doubt useful for beginners in the world’s major languages, they are useless to advanced learners in any language and to those of us who, for whatever reason, want or need to learn the less-spoken languages—Czech, say—that you will never ever get to. The huge array of community courses, on the other hand, has been utterly invaluable.
If you change course and find a way to continue supporting community courses through a mobile app with offline mode, I will happy reinvest in a Pro subscription. Otherwise, I will join those taking their clicks and their course-creation labor to sites that better recognize their strengths, and better value their users.

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  1. It’s not a huge amount of money.

  2. I still want to support the fact that they will maintain Decks as a free site.

  3. As a language teacher, I am curious to see how the memrise official courses will develop.

Those are pretty good reasons, I think.

Although I don’t really need to justify my decisions to anyone, to be honest.

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I sure hope the decks website will be better then the current website for mobile. I just tried the current website on my ipad, and when typing the onscreen accent characters show up, but when i type my onscreen keyboard pops up and covers them, so its a horrible experience with having to popup and minimize my keyboard 3 times per word. It also takes twice as long for it to recognize the answer compared to the app

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the current version does not function very well on tablets, indeed, but that is the fault of the various tablets as well, I think - they are not exactly friendly with regard to “normal” browsers. Anyhow, the memrise design - huge blank spaces and huge tabs for courses etc, as to fit a phone screen - is terrible with tablets !!! I had to bring in my userscripts from the laptop (Memrise, do you hear? your promise about Decks being mobile friendly? working well with tablets? some user controlled customization would help )

Try holding your tablet in book mode (vertical), then you have both the keyboard and the bar. Also, I’ve made the keyboard a little smaller than default. Still the page looked terrible.

(until now, I’ve used only a 11’’ windows tablet with memrise, but with both firefox and with a privacy oriented chrome fork, so; sorry if it does not fit)

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Yes, it’s currently a bit ‘clunky’ on my iPad but at least the Memrise people know that they need to do some work on it. Let’s see what they come up with.

As you say, switching from landscape to portrait solves the problem of viewing both the tablet’s keyboard and the Memrise ‘in-browser keyboard’ for the special characters at the same time. But that creates a different problem for people like me who have fingers the size of sausages because it reduces the size of the keys and I have to be extra careful not to tap the wrong key.

Also, I either have to remember to change my keyboard settings to switch off “auto-capitalisation” before a session or I have to remember to hit the ‘shift’ key at the start of almost every answer so that I get the necessary lower-case character for the first one!

They may find it difficult to solve all these issues for both phones and tablets.

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My 2 cents: Memorion is a great app. For the people who study offline there is not a better alternative. The support from the creator is also great.

What is Memorion?
• an ads-free, universal flashcard learning program
• based on an advanced ‘spaced repetition’ algorithm
• 10-50 times more efficient than memorizing paper flashcards
• has FREE vocabulary in 33 languages built-in, 700-1200 words each
• has many, many functions (see below)
• it has extensive help functions
• the user interface is English only

Functions:
• true multi-directional learning with flashcards
• 7 fun game modes (hang-man, multiple-choice, listening to numbers,…)
• up to 8 text fields per card (to use for gender, examples, extra images, web links etc.)
• card stacks can be downloaded from Anki, Quizlet
• designed for large databases (I have >20 000 cards in mine), with multi-level sub-stacks
• 27 charts to document the learning progress

• multiple-choice, whiteboard, different keyboards and audio-recording as answer options
• wizards for image searches, photos, audio recording and translations
• Cloze texts fully supported
• import files from Anki, AnyMemo, text, MS Word, and Excel
• fully integrated dictionaries from the Open Dictionary API Alliance (PONS, SlovoEd, etc.)
• dictionary support for Google Translate, PONS and Leo online, ColorDict, dict.cc and 100+ others from Langenscheidt, VOX etc.

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I can’t download a deck because I use an old Samsung tablet (Memrise requires latest versions of Android). So I use the online version with my tablet in landscape, and change the keyboard to be split (a built-in function that also makes it smaller sized). It is kind of klugey cuz I finger zoom and adjust a lot to make the letter selection icons bigger (Thai letters are so small). But it is doable and more relaxed than sitting at a computer.

So for me the web version works okay, but creating Mems is a lot more of a pain.

@kevin5284

Google’s own development tools show Memrise hasn’t optimised for mobile browsing on their main website (let alone the yet to be launched or tested “Decks” website).

“We Don’t Believe You, You Need More People”

https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.memrise.com%2Fhome%2F

Kevin, please can you confirm there will be an option to disable the timer on the new mobile website, as many users, myself included prefer an un-timed option.

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This is what I’m using

i cannot create mems on a tablet, i need a laptop to do that. I need to search for stuff (is this translation right or wrong, I need a picture or not), easily on a puter than a tablet. Also, with time passing, the house got full with various laptops - some aruond 1 kg and with extraordinary image resolution, and big screens - so I enjoy learning on laptops… Tablets (and light laptops) are ok for travelling around, when one has to wait for something/someone (and WiFi is present :smiley:, luckily for the moment I live in a country with very good WiFi coverage), etc - which waiting is such big chunck of one’s life.

1. Therefore I do hope that they thinker a bit with the web design of Decks, before leaving us all alone with it :sleeping:. More like the lean design of 2013? maybe… well, other users surely do have other opinions. Now that you separate the app, maybe you do admit that pushing that app design on the web was not in the favour of the web version users.

2. please consider granting creator rights for those curators who took over orphaned courses. It is extremely annoying to be unable to increase the font, or to add a synonyms column, or similar stuff. And, with this poor communication skills from the part of the memrise team - poor communication for the last 5 years!- many creators left memrise. Some of them left good courses behind.

3 be honest about closing down decks as well, when the time will come. Give everybody plenty of time to adjust - see the shitstorm now…

4.(@ismail) what do you tell me this? I know that, but I cannot help, I am trying to get along with what is left of memrise…

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Creating courses is not a daily task so I don’t mind not being able to create them on the app although being able to do it would be welcomed.But reviewing is and I don’t want to spend hours on my laptop to review the words.
Lastly is not just about me and you it’s about a respectable number of people who need an offline mode.

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