Ignored words become learned after unignoring them

Here is a community-created course which is made unusable with this change:

The course description expects the user to use the ignore feature to focus their learning.

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Hi @user6 the second bug you mentioned should now be resolved. The bug regarding the words learned total should be looked at next week, we have a couple of bugs to fix first that more directly affect users.

@lurajane I’m sorry you don’t like the change, but our user research showed that people were using the feature to skip words they already know, and this is reflecting in us slowly changing the button to say ‘I already know this’ across the apps. It’s also a necessary change for the experience in the upcoming version of Memrise to work best, so it will be staying this way.

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A possible solution to lurajane’s complaint would be having two buttons, one for “I already know this” and one for “ignore”, isn’t that a viable option?

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Theoretically it is possible, but fitting more buttons is always a challenge to make work on mobile and tablet views and is more confusing to users so we don’t add buttons unless we think it ill add substantial value, which in this case we don’t believe it does, users can choose which levels to learn, or in the new version choose scenarios, so we don’t think there’s a lot of value in being able to delay learning an individual word.

Thank you for the information and your quick response.

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Hi @James_g_memrise,

I think it would be very helpful if we could have both functions - ignore (for now as too difficult but want to return to it later) and known (so we just get to revise it as normal).

I have mentioned this before.

. Is "Ignore" (on the web) the same as "I already know this" (on the Android App)?

PS

Snap @user6 - same suggestion !

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For the reasons I mentioned above we are not going to be adding more buttons at this time
We are heading towards a paradigm like this, in the new version of memrise the word ‘ignore’ will not be used as it’s ambiguous as we’re seeing here
The new term is ‘I already know this’, which our user testing has shown to be most clear when paired with a ‘Teach me this’ button, so when you see a new word for the first time the choice is clear, if you know a word, you won’t have to see it in lessons again. This terminology is in some places in the current product and we are heading towards alignment on that.


Right now there will be no explicit button to skip learn and still do review as you are requesting, though you can achieve the same now by marking a word as known (ignoring) and then unmarking it as known (unignoring) a word because doing that sets the word to be fully grown and so eligible for review but won’t have to be learnt. This change took place this week.

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Thanks @James_g_memrise and that addresses my suggestion in the other thread about clarification and consistency.

there will be no explicit button to skip learn and still do review as you are requesting

Reading this again and » latest comments « on my original thread, this may not what I’d like.

Incidentally I can no longer take the heart off! :broken_heart:

you can hack it by ignoring then unignoring, which will fully grow a word and put it scheduled for review.

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Thanks @James_g_memrise, I’ll have to have a go at trying all these suggestions, then I might understand how it works.

Hey Memrise staff - I know you get unwelcome pushback when you are just trying to make the site as great as it can be. I want to clarify - I am not opposed to this change. I think it is great that you are constantly rethinking what works best for most learners and that you are regularly updating the tool.

I am simply pointing out that this is in fact a big change, not a minor tweak, as
this removes users’ prior ability to intentionally sequence their learning.

I and other users also use the “ignore” feature on words that have a spelling error, misleading cue, or mis-matched audio. Will that ability be retained? I wouldn’t typically realize an error in a course until I have advanced in my learning and the word is coming up in reviews.

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Will this hack work retrospectively?

ie will words previously ignored then unignore become fully learned and ready for revising?

yes it will

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The way I see it, everything basically remains the same, that is: you can still “ignore” words just the way you did before. The change is that, once you remove the “ignore”-flag (or “I already know this”-flag), the item will be restored as “fully learned” even if you didn’t learn it before.

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Hi @James_g_memrise, it seems that currently the only way unignored (unlearned) words can be reset to the unlearned state is by restarting an entire course using the restart button on the course’s home page.

Please could you consider changing the functionality of the “ignore” function back to the way it was previously? Thank you in advance.

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You don’t need to restart the entire course, you can restart just the level where the word you want learn is in. However, this would still be problematic in courses where each level has 50+ words.

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Hi @user6, thank you for the suggestion. I was wondering, are you a Memrise developer?

I just noticed that on the “homepage” of each level, there are three new options that are now available in the “Options’” drop-down menu, if there’s been previous learning activity that shows up in that level.

One of these new options is “Restart” which appears to restart only that particular level - and which appears to work as expected. The other two options are “Preview” and “Autolearning” but I have no idea what these do.

In the case of a level with no previous learning activity showing, only the “Preview” and “Autolearning” options appear to be available from the drop-down menu . Again, I don’t know what they do.

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Preview gives a presentation of all the learning material in a level (without the learning steps). You can do this at any time without consequences.

With autolearning you skip the learning process. All the words in that level are immediately learnt.

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Amazing, so pleased a way to “Auto-learn” is back.

It used to be really good for courses we mostly knew and wanted to skip to “review” that I am not the Creator or Contributor for.

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