[Course Forum] Learn Italian Conjugation by EasyAcademy (now "deactivated user")

First, I removed the last image since it duplicated the first. But to respond to your comment here, I don’t think your presumption is correct since forms of essere don’t seem to have any parenthetical description such as “(permanent state)” after them. I did a listing to check this and here is what it looks like for essere and stare:
sono
sto

As you can see, because of your fix the stare forms are now “(temporary state)” instead of “(permanent state)”

After considering this problem and studying detailed tables for essere and stare I believe a better approach would be to use “(stare)” instead of “(temporary state)” to indicate to the user that “stare” is meant rather than “essere”.

Here are my reasons:

  1. it’s simple
  2. it avoids any interpretation/translation issues
  3. in the tables, stare & essere sometimes have identical conjugated forms so this helps later in the course
  4. long hints in Memrise are problematic because of word wrap issues
  5. while being drilled, it’s easier for the user to get used to short rather than long descriptions

Although one might argue “(essere)” should be added to indicate the “essere” forms I would say this is unnecessary both because of simplicity and the fact that essere is more common.

I must admit that thought came to me when I was making the changes you suggested :wink:

I happy to make those changes but it rather give the Italian word away if you know the root verb.

Eg “we will be (temporary state)” = staremo is harder than

“we will be (stare)” = staremo.

What do you think?


PS When learning it (or if getting it wrong), it clearly shows (by an attribute) if it’s Stare or Essere.

You make a good point.

On the other hand, there are all the others in that list of reasons I gave, plus the fact that Memrise activities are more like drills than tests. On a test, it defeats the whole purpose if you “give it away”, but with drills you’ve already seen it many times and are working on making it habitual, so you’re more likely to realize that you’re going to be distinguishing ‘essere’ vs. ‘stare’ forms.

At least that’s how it works for me – as soon as I see that there’s a clue (regardless of it was ‘permanent’ or ‘temporary’) I know that I needed to answer with some form of ‘stare’ rather than ‘essere’

I repeat: you make a good point, and I think it’s reasonable to go either way. Once again, I would like to see someone who really knows Italian and about teaching Italian to help resolve this difficulty.

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I agree, it would be good to have expert advice as I am only someone who grew up in Italy.

I also agree that the brackets give it away.

But since one has to learn the ending, I think I’ll go with changing it to (stare) unless someone can give us a better idea.


PS I think I have completed this task for you @tony.

I’ve been thinking about this @Tony .

the brackets “(stare)” give it away.

And I wonder rather than “(temporary status)” why not use “(short stay)” so not using the actual root verb.

I don’t have anything to add from what I’ve already written.

So you are happy with “(Stare)” are you?

May 2023 - DW7 is also supporting the No Typing course.

I suspect the comments are common to both courses and I will try to address them in due course.