Anki vs Memrise: In which platform can I learn words the fastest?

I will answer people in stages as to not make this post too long.

Not really. There can be potentially a lot of embedded inefficiencies in the code.

Even the moving time between screens when answering questions and the waiting time before starting a new session can waste in accumulative a lot of time.

I actually found today something to elevate just that with a the Memrise+ script.

Here is another cool feature of Anki to increase efficiency which doesn’t really exist here: Dealing with tricky vocabulary: Killing leeches | Hacking Chinese
It similar to the idea of the difficult words section here but not quite.

Also consider that Anki is self-evaluation, so even if you accidentally mistype something you can still mark it as good and continue as if nothing had happened.

There are a lot of settings in Anki so you can really custom fit it to your needs.
It might worth the extra time it takes to learn how to use it, as the savings and the increased efficiency can be great since we do it every day and for many hours.

Here it is more a one solution fits all kind of thing, so ,understandably, it will not be optimized, if someone is really looking to boost efficiency the best he can.

Yes, I’m familiar with it, but I’ve never considered to use it in that manner.
It can be hard to know when is the correct time. You might think you know it well enough, but only to be mistaken shortly after. It might require some experimentation to see if you can lower it first to 5 and then 4, without an adverse effect on retention. it’s an interesting suggestion.
On the other hand, it might also be a bad idea to trick the algorithm like that…
Since no one really tested it it’s hard to know if it’s really working or not.

How does the introductory phase work at Anki exactly? I’ve never really used it yet.

I too didn’t really like it too much from first glance (which is why I’m here and not there), but maybe it’s just a matter of getting used to it? I’ve spent here more than 2 months at Memrise and I’m still learning new things every day, so one must really spend a lot of time with an app to really know it and get used to it.
The community is excellent. Much better than what is going on with duolingo, I would say.
But does the points really that much matter to you? We’re here to learn not to collect points. If it’s really that much more effiecnt why not move to it? You might shave off years at the end…

Anki is not community created courses? How is it different? There are shared decks too.

Why won’t you guys actually test it with 2 different courses on the 2 platforms, and see what gives you better results after a 1 month period? That is what I’m considering doing in Oktober.

Anki is a big name in the industry, which a lot of people use and like very much, so giving it a real shot is a given for me. That is what I believe.

For the accidental user, who just want to learn a language or two, I guess it does not make that much of a difference at the end, but I’m shooting for an overload position and that is a lot of words and work ahead of me. I’m not sure Memrise is really suited to handle such big quantities.

the same goes for Memrise…

one could use the same amount of time to read sth serious about learning, instead of various easy-not really accurate-not even true stuff that learning sites offer for the potential client

I didn’t try any of them yet but heard about some of them. Getting to know each app closely really takes a long time, so every few months I’m just testing one and see if it’s any better. At the moment, I’m focused only on the big names, Anki/Memrise, which I heard about from many different people and sources.
I don’t think I need so many different flashcard apps, but I’ll give them a try anyway, so thanks.

I’ve installed it today. Looks quite good. There is one thing that bugs me though. There is an annoying sound every time I tap. Do you know how to disable it by any chance?

I’ve been doing that for 2 months now at a higher pace than that, exactly to test if it is sustainable over a long period rather than just in bursts. The first month I average 133 words per day, and with many days going over 200. The second month, which I’m now closing, I took first a break for 20 days, without reviews, to use ReadLang instead, and with the last 10 days of the month, I’m going to end up with about an additional 2000 words, while managing to reduce my backlog down to zero. I don’t have yet a steady pace, as it’s difficult to keep up with, but I’m woking on it. The reviews are sustainable since I’m able to review more than 1200 words in 2 hours using exclusively speed reviews. If I could disable typing tests I will only use the blue review instead. Is that possible? That will help greatly.

I’m trying to find an equilibrium point between review and study that will not exceed 5 hours a day. That is something that I aim to reach a stable sustainable point, if I have the time of course. Whatever it will end up to be the final pace, I want to be able to reach 0 reviews per day, if I wanted. I actually not too worried if I accumulate some backlog and review things late, as the adverse effects don’t impact me greatly. I’m still searching for a balance point as every day I’m learning new ways to improve inefficiencies, such as the catch-up review script, which I didn’t use until today, but can really help. I’ve tested it and it works great! I’ve used it on a course which teaches the Arabic script, which I didn’t review for 2 months since completing it, and it pushed the words for 96 days or something. A real time saver. I knew I don’t need so many reviews there, so it was the perfect application for it.

I’m preparing now for the final month. The goal is about 5000 words for this month. I’ve found an incredible plugin for Memrise called Memrise on Steroids, which will greatly help me keep my goals and be on top of things. I’ve set goals for all courses I’m going to study and looking forward to trying it. The goals are the numbers in yellow.

I’ve set the goals in such a way that it will spread out over quite a few courses (about 8 languages) but no more than a total of 100,000 points a day, which I will spend just on learning new materials. I expect that should take about 3 hours or a little bit more than that. If I exceed the allocated time of 3 hours I will lower my goal to compensate. An additional 2 hours I will spend on reviews, so I expect to end up with about 150,000 points daily, more or less. If 5 hours is exceeded, again, I will continually try to adjust it. That is the plan at least.

Yesterday backlog was 0. Today it climbed up to 1380 (indicated by the number in blue. Green are words that I’ve yet to study).

In the meantime, I’m still doing a lot of homework to try to learn the functionally of all the different scripts, so I can make an overall a better use of the site with better judgement.

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The problem is that with Memrise it feels more like a lot of patches, which is cumbersome. I hate to think what will happen if they overhaul their site one day, and all the scripts, which I began to heavily rely upon will suddenly become broken and obsolete, with no one to fix them.
There is also core functionality which is out of our reach to modify.
There is also the added risk they’ll decide to become a paid only service one day.

With the help of a few scripts, I’m happy to report I was able to improve my pace to 93 words per hour.
The gap is closing. Might be no need to check Anki after all. :slight_smile:
Still, I need to do it a little bit faster.

A lesson in Swedish 6.

Edit: A lesson in Spanish 5. 120 pace.
That is already basically almost as the pace he reported.

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Now it’s getting weird…

I’ve shattered it. :joy::hugs:
A pace of 234.
Too bad I can’t take a 1-hour lesson like this.

A lesson in Spanish 5.

@Casper_duo

In the User-Created Global Leaderboard thread, you said:

If all questions are 150, you can even get to 160K per hour. The problem is that I don’t get enough to review… And I’m doing more than 200 words per day. My review count is 0 now almost always as I’m doing them immediately. Very slowly racking up which makes it difficult to gather a lot of points.

At some point, I did some calculations estimating how many words per day I should plant if I wanted to earn 100,000 points per day using normal review (no speed review). Roughly speaking, if you were starting with a new account, and you planted 100 words per day, after about three weeks, you’d have enough words to water each day for close to 100,000 points.

Note: My math assumed that you always get everything correct…

To reach Overlord in one year, you’d need ~270,000 points per day, which means planting 250-300 words per day (depending on your accuracy and how many words you already have planted and coming up for review.)

I’m not doing speed reviews anymore as there is really no point.
I can get the same experience from the blue review with the scripts. It’s more beneficial points wise and also the lack of the timer provides better results.

The minimum you need is 666 words for review to reach 100,000.

Learning 300 words per day is about 100,000 points.
That will leave 170,000 points that you need to get only from reviews (or 1132 words).

How many potential review points can you get at such a pace, day in day out, I’m not sure.
The math is more complicated.

Planting 300 words a day has become less of an issue as I can now reach above 100 per hour.
The overall speed has increased greatly.

It looks like I wasn’t clear enough in my explanation. If you plant 100 words every day, you’ll have enough words coming due for review (after three weeks) so that between planting and reviewing, you can earn 100,000 points per day.

Can you show me your math?

At which streak do you receive 150 points? 8/8?

That will suggest that I will need to wait until I reach 96 days, before I get 600 words per day, at a 100 per day pace.
And I will need more than 600 to reach 100,000 points. This also takes into account a perfect score.

I’ve not been learning yet for such a continuous prolong time without breaks, but I understand it will sort itself out in the more distant future if I’ll be consistent. The pace seems to be sufficient enough to support it.

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Are we talking about language learning here now, or video games?

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Ideally they’re the same.

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You can look at it as a Memrise speedrun, but it’s an important topic.

When learning a language you’ll reach a point where you know the basics, just need to learn thousands of vocabulary items. The faster you can do, the better for you. How fast you can do? Depends on you, and depends on the Memrise algorithm. @Casper_duo is a power user who cares about efficiency - he tries to optimize his part. Memrise should care about the efficiency of all users, and their goal should be make more and more “speedrun” possible.

I know redesigning badges is important, but increasing overall efficiency must be more important. If an average user can learn +3 word per session during the same time spent on Memrise, that might be a huge competitive advantage.

If I were Memrise team, I’m sure I’d do constant tweaking of the teaching algorithm with A/B testing on different groups of users. I think the review intervals could be optimized per user, or even per word.

I don’t have any goals like reaching Overlord in xx months or planting YY words per day. BUT: I need a Memrise who has these goals in the background. Who says “Nah every hour you spent here you can learn 12.5 words, let’s see if I can make you learn 15/hour.”

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But maybe it is this way for a reason? I mean, after I’ve learned something through Memrise, it sticks. I too is a sort of power user, but in the sense that I communicate with native speakers in my target language every single day. Also remember, your learning isn’t limited to Memrise (or shouldn’t be).

If you always answer correctly while planting, you receive (45+20)*6 points per word. The 20 points is a bonus per answer when you don’t get any wrong. If you get one wrong, the bonus is 10 points per answer, and if you miss more than one, there is no bonus.

Day 1: Plant 100 words for 39,000 points.

Day 2: Plant 100 words for 39,000 points. Water 100 words (planted on Day 1) for 134+20 points per word, earning 15,400 points. Total: 54,400 points

Day 3: Plant 100 words for 39,000 points. Water 100 words (planted on Day 2) for 154 points per word for 15,400 points. Water 100 words (planted on Day 1) for 150+20 words per word, earning 17,000 points. Total: 71,400 points.

Days 4-8: (like Day 3)

Day 9: Plant 100 words for 39,000 points. Water 100 words (planted on Day 8) for 154 points per word for 15,400 points. Water 100 words (planted on Day 7) for 170 words per word, earning 17,000 points. Water 100 words (planted on Day 1) for 170 words per word, earning 17,000 points. Total: 88,400 points.

Days 10-20: (like Day 9)

Day 21: Plant 100 words for 39,000 points. Water 100 words (planted on Day 20) for 154 points per word for 15,400 points. Water 100 words (planted on Day 19) for 170 words per word, earning 17,000 points. Water 100 words (planted on Day 13) for 170 words per word, earning 17,000 points. Water 100 words (planted on Day 1) for 150+20 words per word, earning 17,000 points. Total: 105,400 points.

After 24 more days, the total per days is 122,400 per day, and 48 days after that, the total is 139,400 per day.


If you get a word wrong in a watering session, it’s worth 45 in the session where you get it wrong, and the next time you review it, it’s worth 54 points. After that, it’s 68, 92, 112, 134, and finally 150 again.

If you miss the word in the first couple weeks after planting it, the extra watering sessions do not make up for the points lost.

It’s missing out on the bonus of 20 points per word for getting all answers correct that makes the most difference in the long term.

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I’m tempted to say stop worrying about points and just learn/review. With that, the points will follow. However, it’s also possible that it’s the points that get you to keep learning so who am I second guess that.

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Using points to set goals and measure progress, I was able to motivate myself to learn thousands of words in multiple languages, and I had fun along the way. If I were only motivated by points, I would get bored rather quickly.

Of course not. Learning words is part of a bigger picture that includes listening, speaking, writing, and reading. No one claimed you can learn to speak a language using only Memrise…

Of course. I’m not saying “gameifying” isn’t good, As long as you don’t “loose sight” and become more obsessed with numbers than actual language comprehension, it is a good motivator. I know all about that. Always have to complete my 15 min a day goal in order to not break the streak.

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The first week has ended. Unfortunately, despite my best efforts, I wasn’t able to beat the chart.
Did every single one of my reviews + more than 300 words today, that is about 4000 questions, but again was let down by the number of review items which was too little too late.
You just can’t compete without it.
These guys are heavy hitters. I think the romzez guy did like 500,000 points today.

Not even the first 3 places after all that work. :smile: :blush:
That’s for me. Fair and square. At least I know now how they do it.

I’m also more than half a million points behind on my weekly goal, but not a bad result. I can work with that.

I had a good run with Spanish today.
A pace of 130K points/hour and a flawless score. (Don’t skip your reviews!!)
But this lucrative points source was dried up as quickly as it showed up.
Since that is about 4 seconds per question you can quite probably reach better results.

I’ve also noticed a significant drop in the difficult words count from a few hundred to about 100.

Maybe now it will actually fulfill its function and show real difficult words and not just phony ones. I’ll have to check it.

@Kaspian that was a bit more detailed response than I expected haha, but thanks for the effort. Rough calculations are more than sufficient.
You count the points earned from learning with the reviews, but we are only interested in the review part so you can simplify it quite a bit.
I need approximately 100,000x2 just from reviews. And to get that you need a consistent flow of more than 1200 review items per day. It will take a while for me to reach it, as you can see from my forecast:

I just have 2 days on the horizon with more than 1000 words and I need that consistently every day.

I completly agree. The app and the web (without scripts) are very inefficient. They can do a lot to improve the time spent by their users.
It is not +3 it is more like 50% (more?) improvement. Really significant. I kinda wasted a lot of time first with the app even though it is better than the default web version.

Since I will probably close tomorrow, or the day after that, my first 10,000 words, and also finish the official Swedish course, I would say that my focus is pretty sharp, but thanks, I acknowledge your point. I’m just having a bit of fun as to not make it too monotonous and keeping me in check. Overload is not the goal but a far a way dream (I will not make it but nonetheless will give it my best) that will push you to strain yourself to achieve an unimaginable amount (100,000 words in a year?) in a ridicules amount of time span. At least you can say you tried, right? They gamify it so why not treat it as a game? I’m just going with the flow. In a game, you often need to adapt yourself and improve your technique to pass a difficult level. The same thing applies here. You just look for ways to do it better and faster for the same amount of work and hope to rip the end results and “win”, whatever that means. If you will look at it on the long run you will see that every second count and accumulates. More points represent more work so strive to get points. Simple as that. It’s the same thing.

Btw, by which word count did some of you noticed a significant improvement in your ability to watch movies unassisted? Is there such a number? 10K? …20K?

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